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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Mar 16, 2016 - 11:54am PT
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But does that work to their disadvantage? Where are those voters going to go? Aren't the Trump voters running the show already anyway? If the republican ideal is to wait and let the next president pick the nominee, the best they can hope for and work for is to have Trump pick the nominee.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 16, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
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Trump will pick One of his children or a stooge he is in control of. Trump will take control of the country .
He will embroil the USA in a war or three and claim that he has to suspend the next election cycle. and the Supreme court will be rigged and so support the take over....
a nightmare that seems to be a very real possibility today...
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Mar 16, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
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Right, that's what I feel like I'm miscomputing. If the best they can gain from this obstructionism is a Trump nominee, is that worth the political cost of obstructing this moderate nominee? Given that they've already gained control of the Senate because of? in spite of? their obstructionist tactics, maybe our sense of the political cost of that previous and this current obstructionism is out of whack with the reality of our Trump-loving nation (and what that says about us).
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 16, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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This is a miscalculation by the Reps like the govt. shutdown / budget crisis.
They say this changes the makeup of the supreme court and the American people should have a say.
Yes with this pick the court changes to a centrist / swing court. IMO that's what we should have. A court most likely to eschew ideology for pragmatism. The convertavites should be happy it's not becoming a liberal majority court, many moderates and independents are happy it's going to a divided court, and progressives aren't too happy that it won't be a liberal court. Jeez, they think all Americans want it to stay a conservative court. Partisans...
And as has been said, the American people did have their say when they elected Obama twice.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
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Meh, I dont think there is anything magical about being a split the difference moderate.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
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I just returned from a 6 mile drive to town to our Post Office & I got my Fox News fix both ways. Fox Headline News, Regular Fox News, & Fox Financial News pundits are all whinning about Obama's "provocative-move" in daring to put forward a moderate for the Supreme Court.
They were doing their best tries at pretending to be indignant about the whole thing. What a bunch of cry-babies.
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
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They say this changes the makeup of the supreme court and the American people should have a say.
the American people have already had their say
twice, by overwhelming margins, they elected President Obama
he was elected to serve the full four years and still has 10 months to go
sigh, constitutional directives and clear logic don't mean a damn thing to Mtich McConnell and the rest of his Senate Republicans
this is pretty sickening......
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
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a split the difference moderate
I really know nothing about him. But hopefully he's a moderate of the radical centrist variety. Not being a moderate because he's a fence sitter, but individual decisions come down in the middle, right, or left depending on the issue and deciding based on the text of the law, justice, and pragmaticism.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
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Fritz -- "What a bunch of cry-babies."
Yep just like you politards here.
Cry all day long every day about what some loon said on TV, radio and/or internet .....
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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On a partisan level I completely agree. But haven't they made progress in their direction (a crappy direction to go, I agree) with their obstructionism? They won control of the Senate. They got Obama to nominate a moderate for the Supreme Court. It's similarly insane that Trump is the Republican nominee for president. But is it? That we don't like reality doesn't mean that it's not true.
Thanks for your ray of optimistic humanistic sunshine :-)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:20pm PT
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Once again, Obama is doing what I recommended, so maybe have I have more clout with this administration than I thought!
I hope he gets a hearing and an up-or-down vote. We shouldn't pull a Reid on this, because I think he's a far more solid nominee to the court than we're likely to get after November, but then, I and the Tea Partiers and Trumpers don't share the same view, and I'm too old for A Separate Reality.
;>)
John
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
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McConnell is insistent that he will not allow this nominee to be considered, period
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
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I have to agree with Norton that the whole thing is a disgusting mess. This from Mitch McConnell in the N.Y. Times:
“Rather than put Judge Garland through more unnecessary political routines orchestrated by the White House, the leader decided it would be more considerate of the nominee’s time to speak with him today by phone,” Mr. McConnell’s spokesman, Don Stewart, said in a statement.
Exactly what I was thinking. The president performing his duties under the Constitution is an "unnecessary political routine[s] orchestrated by the White House".
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 16, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
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I love watching them paint themselves in to a corner and continue to apply coats.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Mar 16, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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Nina Tottenberg says that Republicans like Obama's appointment but won't confirm him until after the election during the lame duck session for political reasons.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Mar 16, 2016 - 05:33pm PT
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Mitch McConnell, on display at Madam Tussaud's Wax Museum
The right-wingers idea of cooperation goes about like this:
Demand an outrageous concession (e.g. the entire box of cookies) right up front. Then, "compromise" by allowing the other people to claw back a tiny portion (e.g. one cookie) and then claim to have "met in the middle".
It's not surprising they are using the same tactic with the Supreme Court seat. It's in their diseased DNA.
When deranged people hear voices from "God" telling them that they are exceptional, and correct in their socipathic behavior, it's hard to get them to voluntarily stop.
Thus the need in society for nets, cages, thorazine and electro-shock machinery.
Ironically, it was Ronald Reagan, as Governor, who eviscerated the very mental health care that the neo-Cons and right-wing religious zealots so desperately need.
Either that, or Reagan intentionally loosed his buddies on society to wreak havoc.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 16, 2016 - 06:39pm PT
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Obama is Not a Lame Duck President until the November elections are over
So the Senate Republicans are lying, as usual
There is only one solution
Vote out these Anti-Constitutional Obstructionist Senate Republicans
They have nothing good to offer
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Mar 16, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
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Sixty-three percent of Americans say that the Senate should have hearings on the nominee.
I've heard that if the repubs don't hold hearings, they might lose at least four senate seats in November.
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