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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:36am PT
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This has been criticized and protested since it started happening, what, 20 years ago? People were complaining about hyper-PC culture then too. Before that they were insisting that colleges divest from South Africa. Is not the history of our country discovering the perceived moral failings of those before us and trying to correct them?
If you watch the Daily Show from 10 years ago, it is rife with gay jokes that would be completely unacceptable now (and largely just not that funny). The culture has shifted. There have always been stories of things going way too far and there is more media now to magnify the best and the worst of them.
I think John's point is we, as a society, have become much more intolerant of views we disagree with. Your previous examples of peace protests and equality marches involved boiling points of historically significant issues. Today, go off the deep end at the drop of a hat. Many college campuses seem to embrace an ultra-liberalism... and anyone who challenges those views is run off campus.
The recent Mizzou controversy is a classic example of liberal outrage. Triggered by a black student being called a racial slur, while off campus, there were a number of protests, includes blacks only (or no whites allowed) events. Fueled by two additional minor events, the controversy recieved national attention when the football team threaten to not play. In the end, the president of University of Missouri System and the university chancellor were forced to resign.
And then there's the recent Yale dustup, where a well-liked professor wrote an e-mail asserting that students should be able to dress up however they wish for Halloween, which resulted in protests and petitions to have the couple kicked off campus.
When did we become so thin-skinned?
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crankster
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:44am PT
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It's so easy for white guys to pretend to understand what's it's like to live in fear of the police every day. When's the last time you were pulled over for no reason, fearful that you'll be harassed, maybe beaten tazed or shot? My guess is your skin would be a bit thinner.
Divisiveness is the bread and butter of rightwing media. Don't give me the bs that it's the same on the left, both sides are bad, it equals out, blah blah. The effects of this can be seen in how the right has creates hysteria about admitting in Syrian war refugees into the U.S., despite the fact that the Paris attackers were European Nationals.
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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:50am PT
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It's so easy for white guys to pretend to understand what's it's like to live in fear of the police every day.
Is that what's going on at Mizzou? Are all the African American students living in fear of the police every day?
And yes, the mainstream media regularly stirs the pot. About a week after cop manhandled the young girl in Columbia, SC, Good Morning America did a segment on it. The story consisted of them repeatedly showing the key footage over and over and over. At least twelve times.
Par for the course.
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Gary
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Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:10am PT
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I think John's point is we, as a society, have become much more intolerant of views we disagree with
We've always been intolerant of other views, it's nothing new. It's the "first one through the breech" syndrome. The first guy through the wall, or into the trench always gets the bayonet, but eventually new ways win out.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:24am PT
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We've always been intolerant of other views, it's nothing new.
So the pablum spewed by Rush and Fox News really isn't that different from what we heard in the past???
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2015 - 07:39am PT
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Ed posted The recent Mizzou controversy is a classic example of liberal outrage. Triggered by a black student being called a racial slur, while off campus, there were a number of protests, includes blacks only (or no whites allowed) events. Fueled by two additional minor events, the controversy recieved national attention when the football team threaten to not play. In the end, the president of University of Missouri System and the university chancellor were forced to resign.
And then there's the recent Yale dustup, where a well-liked professor wrote an e-mail asserting that students should be able to dress up however they wish for Halloween, which resulted in protests and petitions to have the couple kicked off campus.
When did we become so thin-skinned?
So, you're a white dude I'm guessing?
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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:08am PT
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So, you're a white dude I'm guessing?
Boy howdy.
Does the mean I can't note the obvious?
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apogee
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:14am PT
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Gary
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Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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So the pablum spewed by Rush and Fox News really isn't that different from what we heard in the past???
No, not really. Our history is full of intolerance. Just part of the human condition.
They even made a movie.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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Ed posted Boy howdy.
Does the mean I can't note the obvious?
No, Ed. It means that what you have a particular worldview where something is "obvious" and unfortunately you're not allowing for the fact that your experience is not universal.
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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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Speaking of smug condescencion...
This place has it in spades.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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Ed posted When did we become so thin-skinned?
Then
Speaking of smug condescencion...
This place has got it in spades.
Mighty black pot you've got there.
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EdwardT
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Nov 19, 2015 - 09:45am PT
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Just an observation, cupcake.
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WyoRockMan
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Nov 19, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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My daughter is worried about the opoklips.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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So awesome.
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Gary
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Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 19, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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Speaking of smug condescension...
This place has got it in spades.
Hey, we have to go with our strengths.
BTW, fixed that spelling for you.
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Larry Nelson
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Gary wrote:
Fixed that spelling for you
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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I'm not sure defensive comments used to avoid substantive responses really count as "arguments."
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crankster
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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I like Hillary's approach. Today:
“It’s time to begin a new phase to intensify and broaden our efforts, to smash the would-be caliphate and deny ISIS control of territory in Iraq and Syria,” Clinton said. “That starts with a more effective coalition air campaign, with more allied planes, more strikes and a broader target set.”
She said that air campaign was “necessary but not sufficient.” To be successful, she added, “airstrikes will have to be combined with ground forces actually taking back more territory from ISIS.” But she said she opposes another deployment of American troops in combat in the Middle East. “That is just not the smart move to make here,” she said. “Local people and nations have to secure their own communities. We can help them and we should, but we cannot substitute for them.”
She called for deploying a special operations force that Obama has authorized and said she is “prepared to deploy more as more Syrians get into the fight.”
Clinton also challenged Turkey to step up and become full partners in combating ISIL. “This is their fight, and they need to act like it,” she said. “So far, however, Turkey has been more focused on the Kurds than on countering ISIS.”
And she specified how she would run a no-fly zone in Syria, saying it would be “principally over northern Syria close to the border, cutting off the supply lines, trying to provide some safe refuges for refugees ... creating a safe space away from the barrel bombs. I would certainly expect to work with the Russians to be able to do that.
“This is a time for American leadership. No other country can rally the world to defeat ISIS. Only the United States can mobilize common action on a global scale,” she said. “The entire world must be part of this fight, but we must lead it.”
“Let’s be clear, though: Islam itself is not our adversary,” she said. “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. The obsession in some quarters with a ‘clash of civilizations’ or repeating the specific words ‘radical Islamic terrorism’ is not just a distraction, it gives these criminals, these murderers, more standing than they deserve and it actually plays into their hands by alienating partners we need by our side.”
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