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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:07am PT
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Yargle bargle.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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LOL.
Philo nails it.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:37am PT
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Ron, if that were an ex of yours, your should be in prison!
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:43am PT
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We spent the day at the zoo where they have installed a collection of animated dinosaurs in natural habitats along a trail. My little friend was a bit nervous as we approached, seeing them moving and not behind bars. But she quickly realized that were not real and announced: “I am not afraid; they are not real,” repeated several times with heightened certainty.
As we arrived at the first grouping, I explained, as simply as I could, that dinosaurs were ancient creatures and were extinct. She was listening closely.
“They no longer exist,” I exclaimed.
She shot me a stern look and told me in no uncertain terms: “Well not here, they don’t.”
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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Roger that story just made my day.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 19, 2010 - 12:10pm PT
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Something to keep in mind when discussing Sharia laws.
Like towns everywhere, our traffic lights on the main, mixed commercial and residential streets have buttons for pedestrians so they can cross safely. We have a large and diverse Jewish community and many observe the Shabbat (Sabbath) by refraining from turning electricity on or off during Shabbat.
Rather than break their religious laws, some would time their crossing against traffic on busy streets. The city converted those lights near synagogues to operate automatically, to reduce needless risk.
I think the rule should be that Sharia law cannot break US law. There is still lots of room for people to practice their faith.
Now if we could stone stupid politicians, I might change my mind.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
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We're laughing Skipty but not at Wes.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Aug 19, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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Not sure how two quotes from this guy constitute a mixed message. He was asked by Bush to represent the US to moderate Islam. The FBI asked him for help after 9/11.
As for how Al Qaeda and Wahabis view him, he is a Sufi. That's not a real popular branch of Islam with the radicals.
And I'm not sure where this Sharia law business is coming from. A tiny % of the US population is Muslim. There's no way Sharia is coming anywhere near being actual law. But if Mulsim women wish to wear headscarves, that's fine with me. I don't go around demanding Orthodox Jews remove their yamulkes.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 19, 2010 - 01:03pm PT
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LEB says:
I personally hold the religion of Islam and Sharia law in a relatively negative light. It's tenants - or at least some of them - conflict with my own value system. I do not hold all peoples of middle eastern ethnicity in contempt. My feelings apply only to those who affiliate with this particular ideology and value system (e.g. the cabdriver mentioned above, as but an example). To me (and others) a mosque is a symbol of that particular ideology (Islam). If represents an offensive religion and a deranged value system.
Liar, liar, pants on fire. You are expressing your feelings against those that DO NOT affiliate with "this particular ideology"!!
All the negative stuff that you don't like, is rejected and fought against by the fellow in question that you are opposed to!
You are fighting the forces that are actually, on a day to day basis, actually trying to change the things to which you object!
Once again, you are lumping every peron in Islam into the same basket. It is not so. Educate yourself! Don't be ignorant of truth!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 01:47pm PT
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Tell us what you really think DrF.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Aug 19, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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I haven't been able to keep up with this thread as it's exploding with posts. But from what I've read, I can honestly say that I'm very happy to be a part of this online community.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Aug 19, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ''one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.''
from a 2007 interview.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEED81431F935A35750C0A9619C8B63
hear the call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwX0T129sGM
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 19, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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.It would seem islam is the only "allowable" these days...
The property where the mosque would be built is private property. The crosses were erected on government property. Not that I agree that the crosses should come down. I think they should stay. People don't have to be an ass about everything, unless of course you are faux news and you make things up. Oh my.. there is a mosque being built at ground zero by an American hating Imam while the Greeks aren't allowed to rebuild their church. Total hogwash. Carry on hogwash lovers.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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commonalities throughout this thread for some posters (e.g. message from wes)...
it is your right to be an ignorant piece of sh#t.
...you are a fuking idiot.
...you are an ignorant piece of sh#t.
...you are an ignorant piece of sh#t.
in case leb and bluey didnt get it the first time....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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"Now whos luaghuing!:-0"
I don't know Ron who is?
And what is luaghuing anyway?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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Bluering wrote: "You people make me sick and I am ashamed that you are allowed to call yourselves Americans.
So you disagree with this building in this location. Fine, it is your right to be an ignorant piece of sh#t."
Does anyone else see the irony of those two sentences following one another?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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Bluering wrote: "You people make me sick and I am ashamed that you are allowed to call yourselves Americans.
So you disagree with this building in this location. Fine, it is your right to be an ignorant piece of sh#t."
Does anyone else see the irony of those two sentences following one another?
well, uh yeah....bluering didnt write it, wes did....
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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Meanwhile, former George W. Bush solicitor general Ted Olson backed the project. Olson, who recently won his case to strike down California's gay marriage ban in federal court, lost his wife in the 9-11 attacks.
"I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study, where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing," he said on MSNBC. "We don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith."
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 19, 2010 - 03:29pm PT
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