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MH2
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go-B
"I only have to answer to God for my own sins!"
So.
No DUI
No homicide
Just let God sort it out?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I'm staying right here in the good old USA where I know I am under God... ready for whatever he wishes to drop on me.
Glory to God for another believer!
God is NOT more present in America than other countries! I would argue the opposite. People go to sleep in Confucian and Buddhist Okinawa with their doors unlocked; nobody does that in America. I have traveled alone all over the world as a young woman and never been mugged anywhere but America. I've also walked through the many people living and dying on the streets of Hindu and Muslim Calcutta with only one other person, and felt completely safe, but I wouldn't dare to do that in a poor neighborhood in the States.
And then there's the fact which anyone can check for themselves, that the majority of Christians no longer live in Europe or America but rather, the poor developing countries of the world. The missionaries who converted the ancestors of these people at least had the courage to travel.
Surely a large part of what has killed off Christianity among educated people in the West are the narrow minded ethnocentric Christian people who wrap themselves in the flag and the Bible, proclaiming the superiority of their way at the same time they know little of the rest of the world.
Jesus didn't discriminate against pagans or Samaritans, why should modern Christians?
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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I have enough sin's in my life time I don't need to look to my forefathers to find some!
I wouldn't want to go before God without Jesus!
Because of what Jesus did for us all I try to live to please God by what I do, instead of looking at all the bad things to avoid!
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jstan,
Show me one other "nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Like it or not lost souls, those of you that live in the U.S.A., you live in a nation "under God." What a priviledge, yet you live in it on your own, giving credit to none other than yourselves...pity. Don't get me wrong, I did the same for 45 years but now, it's not about me, it's about God, and you all. Thank God!
Edit: And Jstan, in all of the other "safe" nations in the world that contain the "nice" buddhist's, confuscians, muslims, mormons, etc., I pray for their salvation one day as well.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Four direct references to God on our Declaration of Independence...
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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With regard to the Declaration: What were those Christian revolutionaries thinking?
Romans Chapter 13
13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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It's called, "God's System of Management." There is "freedom" in boundaries Paul. Such as an infant being put in a crib for it cannot protect itself from harm on it's own. The infant can move about the crib in any way it may. It has "freedom" with boundaries. As a child grows, the parents put the toddler in a "play pen" providing a bit more "freedom" but still with "boundaries" to keep it safe. Gates are put up in front of the staircase keeping the child from falling down the stairs, although still with "freedom." A fence may be put up around the front yard to keep the growing child from running into the street. The child is given more and more space, "freedom" as it gets older, although under boundaries. These principals are kept around us (atleast, here in the U.S.A.) till the day we die. They are to give us "freedom," under the safety of boundaries.
Being "subject" to "higher powers" "ordained of God."
Titus 3:1-8...
1Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates...
(A public civil officer, invested with the executive government of some branch of it. In this sense, a king is the highest or first magistrate, as is the President of the United States. But the word is more particularly applied to subordinate officers, as governors, intendants, prefects, mayors, justices of the peace, and the like.),
...to be ready to every good work,
2To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Why?
3For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Solution:
4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Romans 3:1, Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? 2 Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. 3 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? 4 By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written,
“That you may be justified in your words,
and prevail when you are judged.”
5 But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) 6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world? 7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? 8 And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Go-B, God opened those doors perfectly didn't He?
Glory to God!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Talk is cheap! It's how those words are lived out in reality that is important.
There are numerous countries in the world where people live in freedom, including the freedom to worship whomever they wish. While America was the first large modern country to have democracy,there have been Swiss Cantons practicing democracy since 1291, and there are many democratic countries now.
The Declaration of Independence is an American document, and relied on religious principles in part, but it didn't fall out of the sky. Rather, it originated in 800 years of Anglo Saxon tradition - Magna Carta and all that. It also was closely related to the French philosophes and the Enlightenment. Further back in time, the Greeks and Romans contributed many ideas which later became part of our democracy.
Like the Greeks and Romans however, our democracy was stained with the practice of slavery for many decades after all men were declared equal. And of course genocide was practiced against the Native population.
America has much to be proud of, but time has moved on. Talking about American moral superiority is not going to help us compete economically against the Chinese and looks like egotistical entitlement when measured against the modern democracies of western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and India for that matter.
Religion is or should be a private matter. Leave politics out of it.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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"Adopted by Congress, July 4th, 1776"
Better go back an reread the D.O.I. Wes.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Once again God approves of forcible rape.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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EVERY word of the bible comes from god.
No way a bunch of sick twisted dumb ass sheep herders wrote it.
Thou shall not question what is in the bible.
It is all god's word.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
KILL THEM!!!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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KILL WOMEN!!!
KILL ENTIRE TOWNS!!!
RAPE WOMEN!!!!
It is ALL in the bible.
ALL of the bible is the word of god!!!!!!
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