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Revelation 7:12
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Dec 26, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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Thanks illusiondweller,
We have a God that takes away our shame, guilt, and fear through Jesus!
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:39pm PT
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That's okay Wescrist, we don't expect anything less, "...for they know not what they do." - Luke 23:34. Your response rings of the scripture in the book of Luke, when the two malefactors hung on the right and left sides of Christ:
" 39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
There will be many "surprises" in heaven based on verses 42 - 43, yet this shows the mercy that God has for the lost. You can have this too Wescrist!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 28, 2010 - 11:59pm PT
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Yeah, and verily I will smite the unbelievers, and heathens, and trolls on SuperTopo, unto the 9th if not the 99th generation. And then I'm going to smack them upside the head with a 2 x 4.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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"1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear (hence, science will not be able to prove existence).
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."
God could fix everything so it was a "perfect world" if He wanted to, and He will, but not yet. First, He's giving you/me, a sinner, an opportunity to receive His free gift, without having to work for it nor having to prove Himself to you (though He'll do that too if you let Him!):
"6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." - Hebrews 11:6
"8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:26am PT
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Prayed for you (literally, just now in front of my laptop) Mighty Hiker.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:29am PT
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Troll? "Why do so many people believe in God? (Serious Question?)" Yep, I was sure that was the subject.
Have a safe and happy New Year everyone!
Glory to God
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jstan
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:40am PT
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"You can have this too Wescrist! "
ID:
You state this based upon your reading of some texts written by you know not whom but who certainly never spoke directly to either god or Jesus.
Yet you have made the above promise to Wes with no certain knowledge of what will actually be decided.
Do you not feel some ethical discomfort? Do you feel no personal responsibility?
If I were to assure you that I have tested a hold you are about to use and that it is assuredly sound, but the hold came off without resistance and resulted in your becoming a quadriplegic, would you hold me blameless?
Would you hold me blameless?
If you would act upon my ascertion and yet hold me blameless can you explain how it is you believed me and did not believe me all at the same time?
This next post has such a lyrical feel to it. After reading it I have decided what I have to buy next.
What a relief.
I have been worrying about that all day.
EDIT:
The spam post referred to has been deleted. Very strange indeed! Its author must have returned to it. Very strange.
My point was a person can use any text as a scripture if they, somehow, invest it with value. Whether real or imagined is of no consequence.
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MH2
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:02am PT
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Eastern religious beliefs are puzzling.
EDIT
"The spam post referred to has been deleted. Very strange indeed! Its author must have returned to it. Very strange."
Which makes my own post puzzling.
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EddieMedina
Trad climber
Charlotte,NC
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:43am PT
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I think the question is flawed. Over the course of the Enlightenment and the introduction of Newtonian physics and rationalism, the word belief has come to mean something completely new and different. Whereas it once meant 'to prize, to value, to hold dear', 'loyalty to a person or idea', it has now come to mean an intellectual acceptance of a metaphysical 'reality'. In The Case for God, Karen Armstrong argues that it is this rationalized interpretation of religion that has resulted in the rise of both fundamentalism and atheism.
On a more Darwinian level, people believe because this has somehow imparted to them a mechanism for survival that is absent in their non-believing brethren. As evidence of this reality you simply have to look at global demographics. 99% of the world's population are believers. If non-belief were as good a tool for survival as belief, the atheists would make up 99% of the population.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:15pm PT
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Please cite your source for the 99%.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:59pm PT
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HFCS -- "A main reason "99% of the world's population are believers" is because (1) science illiteracy rules, (2) the inertia of ignorance rules, (3) the inertia of bad habits rules"
No that's you! 99% of what you post here is just plain dumbshit stupidity.
You can't speak for the 99% of the world and put words into their mouths.
You're a total idiot on this one.
Get an eduction kid ....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:09pm PT
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You don't even know nor have a slightest clue what the perfect truth is and that reflects perfectly by your ignorant posts here.
Get an education kid .....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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Now you've just proved you really do need an education .....
And money can't buy the education you need ....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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Looks like your education in life just keeps failing you ....
Being able to manipulate the material energy does not take much brains.
There are far far greater and superior sources of intelligence than what you can even begin to proclaim.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Dec 29, 2010 - 03:33pm PT
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If you start to love God NOW, you'll have less regrets later that you didn't start sooner!
Jesus gives us a fresh start, and that's from God's Son! That's the truth!
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jstan
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
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"If you start to love God NOW, you'll have less regrets later that you didn't start sooner!
Jesus gives us a fresh start, and that's from God's Son! That's the truth!"
GB:
Over the internet you are telling billions of people you have never met, from cultures with which you have had no contact, that they will feel what you have felt. This is baseless on the face of it.
A question. Since you feel you have to make a promise of some personal reward to get an audience, are you not talking down to people? You feel they do not have the ability or the courage to do what is needed purely and simply because it is needed or right?
This says something about the special esteem in which you hold yourself.
Does it not?
Now a tougher question.
Is it your opinion that Jesus held himself in a regard this high?
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jstan
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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Go-Bee:
You demonstrate you have no answers.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:53pm PT
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without getting into the metaphysical details, i do beleive there is a god. not an anthropormorpic god, but some kind of power -- that which is creation.
i mean, the universe did not spontaneously "decide" to create itself, right? there is something out there. go and find it.
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
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Either all the bible say's is a crock, or Jesus is the answer!
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