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Oct 14, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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That's how I see it too. Totally valid question in a thread geared toward wishing Coz well.
Heal up well and quickly Scott.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Oct 14, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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The film company is liable for anyone that is injured on set. Worker's comp is involved as is the law in this state.
Union members that operate condor cranes and other equipment are highly trained and certified in their proper use and safe operation.
When regulations are followed by certified operators and an accident occurs, the company may be held responsible for many costs incurred by the injured party.
Stunt riggers are currently not required to undergo the same training as SPFX, Grips, ect.. in the use of these machines.
This may change soon. These types of accidents have far reaching effects on the exact qualifications required by operators.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2014 - 08:47am PT
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Thanks for the reply! I will be sending some $ and continue to send healing vibes.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:37am PT
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Not knowing the full details but this probably holds true.
Stunt riggers are currently not required to undergo the same training as SPFX, Grips, ect.. in the use of these machines.
When we work a lot of those jobs we really had to watch our selves.
Because if I got hurt on some of those jobs I was on there was no coverage at all.
It's really fuking dangerous work.
You can die at any minute on some of those.
I came close many times ......
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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We don't know if Scott was a true independent contractor or an actual employee of sorts. Or of course if neither was clear, than he was an employee; there aren't other views under the law as I have understood this as a builder for four decades.
So if he was on the hush-hush he still gets WC under law; California has an "Uninsured Workmens Fund" to cover such situations (which of course are extremely common). This fund is giant and full WC coverage is afforded to the injured. And of course the State eventually goes after the "employer" as established in the case.
And finally, you WANT WC as it is the cadillac of policy; nothing else comes close to it.
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:00am PT
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Not knowing any of the details...........If he bypassed a safety feature offered it could be that he won't be covered at all. Working for the NPS we have to always wear a seat belt when we drive or we're not covered I'm told..........
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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A few years back I was at the Crossroads and Coz was there with a group, all of whom I recognized, but only one I actually knew. That person said hello and introduced me to Coz, and he politely asked about my day out there. I was happy as I had led some crack on the Short Wall in Indian Cove, and he let me go on and on, and then said "Oh yeah....I think that's the one we used to use as a walk-off."
GRRRRR! But, just like when someone yelled out "YER GONNA DIE!!!" while I was on Mike's Book, it made me feel like part of this tribe.
Get well soon, Coz.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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My wife says I should not post but...wait I am writing it out
From what Chief says and my own experience in another state the very first steps will significantly determine the long-term outcome of the case.
My and every circumstance is different and similar. The machine will chew, the first lawyer I had was not any help and it cost me tens of thousands of $$ in the final settlement!
Get two good legal opinions at the same time. If you must retain one and use the other through Comp. Keep up to date with both and keep both in the dark as to the other ones’ plans, wins, losses etc. (if the one is a close personal /climber friend then share with her/him)
My injury was very serious and life altering if I had not been a monster .12 puller= sides of body, at the time of my injury ( I was past 40yr ,and not any where near Coz ‘s abilities .) I would be more a ,‘shuffling', than I am today. This is now all past by some years, it took 3yrs and 10 months (5 surgeries) to come 90% back.
it was a very sad chapter
Scott.. I am so much Here And IN the Now You will send this, and come back. IT will take A long time And Not the Same But Good enough. It will Happen for you.You can and must do this. Try man, Keep Trying all The Time. . . . Love you man,
Our family knows that you are one of the tribe.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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Rough News.
Scott,
You wouldn't remember me but I worked on Bushwacked with AK and the feisty little stunt people. On a practical note, houses aren't very well designed for most people. In construction, I am focused on a design concept called " Universal Design". The idea is to design for people of all ages and abilities. There is a Wikipedia page that describes it well.
Eventually we all need better designed bathrooms, kitchens and more.
I live in central CA now but I'd be happy to volunteer some general contracting and labor if I can. I'm itching to visit J-Tree and would be happy to bring some tools to help ease your recovery at home. The first steps are ramps and single level living with useable kitchens, bedrooms and bathrooms.
My long term goal is to partner with people who have faced these issues to help promote this important work. We all need help sometimes in our lives. Whether as children, while parenting, aging or recovering. It makes sense that we all work together to make the 'built-environment' work for people of all ages and abilities. I'm offering. No charge, of course.
Get well.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
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Get Well Soon
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Oct 14, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
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Can we please not turn this thread into a debate about workman's comp and if he was or was not covered. That's not the point right now folks.
Hoping for the best for him and his family and friends right now.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 14, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
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Listening to all the comments I'm just wondering if a fundraiser at this early point is something that should be pursued. Perhaps let everything shake out with WC and The Guild, if Scott if a part of that, but wait for the (public) fundraising til you all know what is covered and what isn't. Just a suggestion. I love Scott and only want the best for him. Cheers, Lynnie.
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E Robinson
climber
Salinas, CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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Anyone know how Ruby, the legendary High Sierra chihuahua, is doing...I'm sure she misses him and am sure she'll bring him a pure smile when he's back home.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Oct 14, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
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A hour doesn't go by without thoughts and prayers going out for you, Scott...your Joshua Tree bros are with you 100%.........stay with it, hang tough, and be patient.......
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:33am PT
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Keeping a light burning for a member of the tribe and sharing a part of the long road that some may be close enough to help with....Vegasclimber it was NOT meant to detract from the prayers.
Scott every day I go to a rock, say some thing for you and that is what I can Do.
you will always be my hero. My sister works in hollyweird and I have told her too
I have not smiled much, of late, any one who asks me why, I say your name first and tell them
Life is not fair and the best seem most at risk please all take care of each other
big hugs around the camp fire
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Oct 15, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
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No significant news to report. I was told today that doctors are in the long and sketchy process of weaing Coz off the sedative. And till that is done and some time has passed, we simply cannot know where Scott stands in terms of his brain injury.
An attempt (I believe today) to ease him off the juice - so the doctors can try out some verbal commands and so forth - wasn't successful because, as happened before, Scott starts jerking about and his BP goes up. But these efforts will continue to go forwards and eventually they will wean Scott off the sedatives.
While we cannot know what the future holds, it is unrealistic to think once the fog wears off, Scott will sit up and start talking. Rather he will likely have to fight his way back into consciousness and self awareness by way of a long rehab.
If there is any good news here, it's that people can and routinely do return from traumatic brain injuries. But it takes time. And our friend took one hell of a blow to the front of his head.
JL
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Oct 15, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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Thank you John
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 15, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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Yes, very much thanks, John. Your post gives a much clearer picture of what is happening in Scott's world of recovery. He is in for a challenge for sure. But, with a great medical support team and much love and support from family and friends, Scott will progress.
Not that it's important, just trying to understand what Scott faces, wonder if he is on propofol and or solumedral. Weaning can be a difficult process for sure. Let's all pray that Scott's body can begin to deal with this and he can move to the next level of healing.
Precluding a miracle, Scott appears to be on a significant journey to healing. Let us all be his companions for the entire trip.
Peace with Love tonight Scott Cosgrove and to all your family. lynnie
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
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That's truly some sobering news and I am saddened to hear it.
Sometimes we need a slap in the face to realize that these are the good old days that you will look back on fondly. Reach out to the ones you love, and even some that you don't so much, and let them know you see and hear them, and that they make up your present.
Lot's of us here are part of "the club of which you don't want to be a member." Before recovery, there are moments when you look at life in ways that you don't quite get when you are full of health. Stepping back into a day-to-day, it's easy to forget that shadow that's there in the darkness.
As climbers, we know the edge, we know what life has to offer and what it has to take, more than most. Still, until you walk the thin line, it is very hard to imagine just what will go through your mind at that dime-edge time between life and death.
So many folks get caught up on tiny, small things. This is a reminder to see beyond your trivial troubles and to see life for the gift that it brings and the gift that you can give.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
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Good speak, k-man! :) Agree.
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