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Fishy
climber
Zurich, Switzerland
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Said he was walking away when they fired...
A small but key difference in wording from Bullwinkle's description above.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Turn of the twentieth century a tenth of the entire adult population used cocaine daily.
It was in Coca-cola.
i've always found that interesting. i don't think coca-cola ever lost its place in the public heart after they took the coca out.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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He also mentions the Rangers didn't identify themselves.
Gunna be his word against theirs in court...
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pc
climber
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This whole thread is a very bad idea. Frickin' "eyewitnesses" talking here about what they saw? Stupid. Not to mention Ammon himself on radio. Sheesh. Someone pull the plug.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Has anybody put up a route called Tazed And Confused?
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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i would love to taze Jacobs or any of those other nazi bastards.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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I was a bit surprised that Ammon decided to go on the radio. If he has a lawyer, my guess is the guy is just rolling his eyes.
Best to keep one's mouth shut with things like this.
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jstan
climber
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Lots of rolling eyes on this one.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Just to clarify re pacer- it's the federal court's electronic filing system. No case, no document. A police report wouldn't be there. I checked and there is nothing current showing for Mr. McNeely.
Please continue to speculate wildly.
police reports are public record. they may not want to release them but they have to. rangers acting as police should have something on file at valley headquarters. you want to undertake a good lead, walk in there and ask for it.
tomtom--that's an interesting name, kinda like jay walker
Why do climbers like TONY BIRD TRASH El Cap? Why to you desecrate the rock you climb? Rangers have to risk their lived to clean climber's garbage and sh#t you left at Camp 6 of the Nose.
a little reading comprehension, please. i've never had the pleasure of visiting camp 6. how do you derive that from:
if camp 6 has become such a damn pigsty, why isn't it a major project for facelift? i frankly don't think it should be the rangers' job to be doing that for climbers. cleaning up after ourselves used to be part of our ethic.
¡ma-donna ...
i don't have 46 minutes to spend listening to a lot of cool-cool radio talk to pull out the gist. anyone care to synopsize that?
sometimes cases get tried in the public forum before they come to court. some lawyers don't recommend that, others do a good job with it--depends on the lawyer, the circumstances and the chances they want to take.
fattrad seems like a nice enough fellow, but his approach to public action is a lot like chief's on the other side of the range, "trust me" and the good old boys will get it done for you, except you might have to wait a very long time. i've seen it a little different, and my faith is in a good system which will atrophy if we don't continue to exercise the rights which are ours.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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must reiterate: Lame.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
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I already know the rangers are planning on lying about what happened, I have nothing to hide (unlike them), so I feel like I can talk as much as I want. Their edited version of video isn't the only video out there.
Tom, you sure do have a lot of opinions on something you have no clue about.
I will state that I was tased unnecessarily and feel confident that it can be proved.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself.
Already admitted to breaking the law on the RADIO.
Case Closed.
I already know the rangers are planning on lying about what happened, I have nothing to hide (unlike them), so I feel like I can talk as much as I want. Their edited version of video isn't the only video out there.
Tom, you sure do have a lot of opinions on something you have no clue about.
I will state that I was tased unnecessarily and feel confident that it can be proved.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2010 - 06:07pm PT
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2nd post. I'd go with Fattrads advice Pirate. We all, all of us, wish you well and most of us are tired of living in a society where we can be so easily misled, controlled, spied on, and manipulated by the authorities.
BTW, little more of a rant - rant...this bullshit where the police get to steal your stuff is just wrong. Wrong!
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Now to the second case.
EVERYONE that is arrested tells a different story and CLAIMS abuse.
42 usc 1983 cases are very rare.
Better start getting all your dirt bag buddies to fund your campian.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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BTW, little more of a rant - rant...this bullshit where the police get to steal your stuff is just wrong. Wrong!
It is called evidence. Cops get to hold onto it.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Ammon, you act like a child.
"I broke the law using my toys."
"I am so bummed they took my toys."
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Not like you are the first to have their Base gear taken.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Revenge is supposedly best eaten cold.
As a lawyer, I strongly advise Ammon to talk about what happened and the aftermath only with a) his lawyer, and b) under oath in court. It may be galling not to get your side of the story out, and not to talk about it with friends, but if there's any defence at all, it's in your best interests. One of the first steps of any competent defence lawyer is to tell the client to STFU.
It is very risky to say things like: "I already know the rangers are planning on lying about what happened". Whether or not they did, proving it to a judge's satisfaction in a court isn't easy. Such statements, if made in court, are likely privileged - but not outside court. Add a name to such a statement, and you may find yourself on the receiving end of a civil action for defamation. An action where your testimony can probably be compelled.
It's kind of Ammon's friends to come to his support, but again, anything that is said here can and will be used against him, at least in sentencing. Let's say he is convicted, and they're discussing the sentence. The police or the prosecutor might print out and present this thread, for the judge to understand the context of what happened, and to "prove" that base jumpers are an out-of-control menace to all right-thinking citizens, and the park.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Here is some more info for the Pirate.
Watch your Libel and Slander be use against you in court.
You know it from American Society and TV.
“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney….”
So when the sentence is handed down (Fine, probation, banned from national parks, ETC) will you break the law again and probation??
Can you handle being kicked out of Yosemite for a few years??
You already can't handle them taking the "EVIDENCE".
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
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You guys are hilarious! Like I said, I have nothing to hide. I’ve already admitted to the rangers that I jumped off El Cap. Yep, I broke the law and will deal with the consequences.
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