Mosque to be built at ground zero

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Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Aug 18, 2010 - 11:35pm PT

It states clearly in that article that the church *can* rebuild the church:

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site and ensuring that construction wouldn't delay the World Trade Center further," spokesman Stephen Sigmund said in a written statement."

I don't see where you are getting that they cannot rebuild the church.

Chinchen

climber

Way out there....

Aug 18, 2010 - 11:38pm PT

You say you're a Christian, cause God made you,
You say you’re a Muslim ’cause God made you,
You say you’re a Hindu and the next man a Jew
And we all kill each other 'cause god told us to? NAW!

Hello, Hello. Bonjour,Bonjour!

Michael Franti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlHzRir7K3g

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Aug 18, 2010 - 11:43pm PT

It states clearly in that article that the church *can* rebuild the church:

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site and ensuring that construction wouldn't delay the World Trade Center further," spokesman Stephen Sigmund said in a written statement."

I don't see where you are getting that they cannot rebuild the church.

Crimpie, I think it has to do with the fact that it was destroyed by terrorists and the Fed offered help.

The story is twisted though...2 different stories....

EDIT:

Dipshit wrote:

And FYI, Faux News is THE ONLY "NEWS ORGANIZATION" willing to print that kind of bullsh#t. Every other article I can find cites Faux News as the source.

Wow, so FN has risen to AP and Reuters status????

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Aug 18, 2010 - 11:46pm PT

This whole issue is an amazing litmus test of ignorance. I've been pretty amazed at who has come out against this thing. At the very least it's been helpful to get a glimpse at people's assumptions and attitudes that would lead them to oppose it being built.

Also, bravo Mayor Bloomberg. Talk about passing a test of leadership with flying colors. He officially has a bigger sack than Giulinani.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 19, 2010 - 12:03am PT

What if a few years after the end of WWII a Shinto shrine was proposed at Pearl Harbor?

Poll on the existence of Shinto Shrines near Pearl Harbor is:

•offensive 34 10% of all votes
•not offensive 294 90% of all votes
Total Votes: 328

Started: August 18, 2010
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If they’d bothered to do some fact checking before opening their mouths, they’d probably know that there are already some Shinto Shrines in Hawaii, with a couple not far from Pearl Harbor. (There are also some Buddhist Temples in the area.

“Perhaps we should test the Japanese people’s resolve by attempting to build a big christian church at ground zero.”

The reader is unaware of the fact that Urakami Cathedral is one of the major landmarks associated with the Nagasaki bombing. There were also churches in Hiroshima in 1945, with at least one near ground zero. Of course, both cities have Christian churches today.

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Right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh asked listeners what they would think if a “Hindu Temple” was built at Pearl Harbor, apparently thinking that Japan was a Hindu nation.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008160019

Of course, all these arguments are specious: Pearl Harbor was not attacked by Shinto, collectively (nor Hindu religion, either).

Hiroshima was not attacked by Christendom.

The US was not attacked by Islam.

But it is SO MUCH easier to point things that way, even if it is wrong.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Aug 19, 2010 - 12:15am PT

Ya Crimps- but Blue ignores that...lol

riley

Ignores what, Riley?

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Aug 19, 2010 - 12:44am PT

The facts Blew, just the facts.

Well said Ken M.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 19, 2010 - 01:00am PT

LEB said:

It is really very simple - sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

If you (not you, personally, Ken - just a figure of speech) or anyone else is going to affiliate with Islam and Sharia Law, in one form or another, don't be surprised if other persons treat you with scorn.

If given people take a very dim view of certain ethnic groups (and don't want to look at their mosques), it was not because these folks got their names pulled out of a hat. They had a role in creating the discord as well as the people's disdain.

So whoever it was (Blue?) who works with two muslims and climbs voluntarily with one, is to be treated with scorn?

If the Paramedic who brings me a patient is muslim, I should treat him with scorn? Is that how you advocate we treat muslim patients?

LEB, you are falling for the stereotyping process of the three "B"'s of muslims:

A report titled "100 Years of Anti-Arab and Anti-Muslim stereotyping" by Mazin B. Qumsiyeh, director of media relations for the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, specifies what some in the Arab American community call "the three B syndrome": "Arabs in TV and movies are portrayed as either bombers, belly dancers, or billionaires" in reference to being portrayed as terrorists, women as sex objects, or as wealthy oilmen.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Aug 19, 2010 - 01:31am PT

Did they build Greek Orthodox Churches on those locations?

Bluering, is Al Qaeda building a mosque at Ground Zero?

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Aug 19, 2010 - 01:39am PT

t*r raised the point that if 2,000 people go to the mosque on Friday, it could be a busy neighbourhood. Given that it is the heart of Manhattan, one of the densest built cities in the world, with probably a million or more people squeezed in on any given day, maybe not. 2,000 people more or less is background noise there.

Anyway, what about a petting zoo instead?

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Aug 19, 2010 - 02:01am PT

What I can glean from this thread.

The mosque is being built right on ground zero, according to fox news. Whoops.. its not. Its two blocks away, which in New York is a fairly long ways.

The Greek church that was there and was destroyed is not being allowed to be rebuilt, according to fox news. Whoops, it is being allowed to be rebuilt, just not with government money.

The Imam who wants to build the mosque has links to terrorism and wants to destroy America, at least according to fox news.. whoops, he worked with George Bush senior in the middle east to end terrorism and help those in the middle east see that America allows religious freedom.

Well shucks.. Anyone see a link to all the controversy?

da dit da dit da dit. This just in. One in Five American believes Obama is a Muslim.. hahahaha. Man this world is a crazy place.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 19, 2010 - 02:23am PT

t*r said

i think there should be a giant yoga playground where michael franti performs and does yoga with us all day long, every day.

Interesting assertion. You do realize that yoga refers to traditional physical and mental disciplines originating in India. The word is associated with meditative practices in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Within Hinduism, it also refers to one of the six orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy, and to the goal towards which that school directs its practices.

Perhaps that was the "connection" that Rush was talking about with Hindu practices!!!

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Aug 19, 2010 - 02:33am PT

I knew it. Those Indians want to take over the country. But wait.. so do those Christians, "go forth and multiply and take dominion". Those sneaky Christian Indians.

And whats with that name? Indians??? Don't they know that the only real Indian comes from America? And we already whupped those rascals.

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Aug 19, 2010 - 03:42am PT

"you know who we should really run out of this country? those f*cking hipsters with their f*cking mustaches"

Oh great NOW were talking about Latinos...sheesh is no race/religion spared...
Oh wait, yes it's those White Anglo Dudes...and dudettes...or is it?
(that is a joke-for those unable to 'read between the lines' like my 5th graders can...

This thread is getting sillier and sillier...
Which might just be a good thing.

Carry on while I fight the battle against these darn Indians over here.
Yes, I AM ON THE FRONT LINE.
(I'll keep 'em from taking over t*r...)

Grin,
DD

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Aug 19, 2010 - 04:22am PT

Fox News: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

Karl ("there's a sucker born every minute") Rove is once again laughing his friggin' ass off. You can just feel the seething, pent-up tide of ignorance building like a wave every time someone says "mosque" or "illegal alien". But hey, the republicans have only gained power in recent decades by riding on waves of greed, ignorance, bigotry, and hate so I'm not the least bit surprised by this year's deafening drumbeat of relentless stupidity.

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Aug 19, 2010 - 07:02am PT

Good one Lois, Most people don't see anything positive because all they watch is faux news, Bill Oliely, and Rush Limbombastic.

I could say the same thing about Christianity.

Kids being beaten in front of church congregations. (remember that one?)
Preachers screwing whores, doing drugs, lying.. ect. And this a preacher a former president relied on. talk about the blind leading the blind. Yeesh.

Edit: according to Christianity.. you are going to hell. For eternity..Gotta love Christianality for that one.

Every religion has its hardcore radicals and easy to misinterpret and misunderstand beliefs. Too bad people can't seem to understand that.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Aug 19, 2010 - 07:27am PT

John beat me to the punch...

It represents an offensive religion and a deranged value system

Good quote - that describes exactly how I feel about Christianity - in spades.

Roger Breedlove

climber

Cleveland Heights, Ohio

Aug 19, 2010 - 10:33am PT

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