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rrrADAM
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LBMF
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Dec 14, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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As I wrote elsewhere this morning...
What God was thinking, just before he created everything...
OK... I'm going to create an entire universe, MUCH larger than anyone can ever even see, in which a I will create a planet just for a being I will make in my own image... I will make them so they can love and worship me, and if they don't, I will make them spend eternity suffering.
But, since I am such a just and caring God, and they couldn't live by my laws for the first few thousand years, as a second chance, I will have them kill me so that they can still prove to me their love by just 'believing' all of this... As long as they 'believe', I will let everything else slide.
Yea... That's what I'm gonna do!
But it will be such hard work, that even I can't do it all in an instant... Heck, it's gonna take me six friggin days to pull all of this off, then come back thousands of years later to have them kill me.
And, so it is...
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 11:39am PT
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"What God was thinking, just before he created everything..."
No, that's what you are thinking and the rest of you mental speculators.
What's even worst, at times you try and put your words into his mouth and pass it on as facts coming from him.
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jstan
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:00pm PT
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We have had discussions as to where the universe was before the Big Bang. There had to have been something before. Right?
Below is a fascinating article indicating the outline of the answer to this was found by Chandrasekhar while on his way to his first job in 1930! That was eighty years ago.
We are incredibly behind the times.
http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_63/iss_12/44_1.shtml?bypassSSO=1
He reasoned that relativistic velocities might be obtained during collapse of a star following consumption of its primary fuel. Based upon his calculation he found there was no equilibrium solution for that collapse when the star's mass exceeds our sun's mass by some 50%. The "Chandrasekhar Limit."
Later work by Oppenheimer indicated time actually stops during supermassive collapses, and so was born the idea of the Black Hole. Everything we know from common sense and our daily experience was turned on its head.
Read some of this in "Physics Today."
One is prompted to wonder if humans do not always seem to be living in a stone age. Is this an inevitable part of being human?
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rrrADAM
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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No, that's what you are thinking and the rest of you mental speculators.
What's even worst, at times you try and put your words into his mouth and pass it on as facts coming from him. Werner, you need to either:
a) replace batteries in your sarcasm/ridicule meter
b) remove stick from butt.
You seem to have oput WAY more into what I wrote, as I'm not passing off as 'fact' that those were his actual thoughts in that reply... But it does align with the beliefs of Xians, and the bulk of the beliefs of other Abrahamic religions, sans the Jesus as God.
Jumping to such extremes and absolutes like that makes it apparent for all to see that your X Chromosome is stronger than your Y, but that may be due to your age. There are suppliments you can take for that you know. (Get the sarcasm/ridicule there?)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:31pm PT
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Folly begins with "I know..." No, you don't. Period.
What a pinhead.
Take some science and engineering courses, you might discover a science and engineering education is worth something, worth incorporating into one's beliefs, and worth defending.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:34pm PT
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Truly, in this subject, you remind me of the tourist wandering on paths and rocks in Yosemite littering and crapping all over the place. Having no standards and no inclination to live up to any.
You defend what you love.
Clearly you love the Abrahamic narrative. Go live in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran for a year, you'll get even a greater dose of it.
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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Well Im not infallible and missed the sarcasm in your post rrrADAM the same way others have misunderstood my sarcasms.
But as we see HFCS is now trying to paint a broad brush stroke as to what a tourist in Yosemite is.
Projectionist .....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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Folly begins with "I know..."
Modernity knows the sun doesn't revolve around the earth. Modernity knows God Jehovah didn't send kings to rule over men. Modernity knows the lamb doesn't lie down with the lion because of Original Sin (that can ONLY be forgiven through belief in God Jesus). That's enough for now.
You're an obfuscator. Chances are, if you valued knowing how the world works and valued knowing how life works, acquired a hardwon science and general life education as a result, you'd sing a different tune, wouldn't be so eager to obfuscate.
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EDIT Certainly I didn't broadstroke all tourists, I said the tourist engaging in said behavior.
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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Actually real science begins with understanding the constitutional position of the soul.
This is the root.
Without knowledge of the soul all so called science will be incomplete in it's conclusion .....
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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No, so sorry, you have not proved that.
You are just mouthing words .....
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 02:23pm PT
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If science proved there is no soul to reincarnate in another body due to karma after the the termination of the present body the courts would never ever need to issue consecutive life in prison sentences/terms.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Dec 14, 2010 - 02:28pm PT
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From another thread, Port:
Supertopo is not a place for people with thin skin, and I kind of like it that way. I've been hammered here before and I consider it a learning experience.
And another from Rectorsquid:
The only maturity here is not visible because it is the people who don't fight, don't respond to bullies, and don't post crap, that are the mature ones. The rest of us are just cry-babies fighting about God, republicans, and about who is the bigger baby.
And the frosting on the cake, from Tom C:
never argue with a fool... people won't be able to tell the difference
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The trouble with advice is you often don't know whether it's good or bad till you try it.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Dec 14, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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To those who think Dr. F's comments to Go-B are mean or uncalled for: Remember a couple of things: (1) Go-B puts himself out there. (2) Go-B votes. He's not a child, he's mature enough by law to vote.
Those who vote are open to criticism. Those who put themselves out there (e.g., on an internet forum by their own choosing) are open to criticism. They open themselves up to it.
A rather light-footed rationlization for bullying, Fructose...
Much of the high minded "criticism" Go-B receives, here, is nothing more than odious offense...hateful to him and useless to the rest...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
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In defense of Gobee:
Gobee, like many others, has an unshakable belief in a higher power that he
is certain oversees life here on earth. This higher power then steps in
and answers some human prayers and ignores others, just as fervent.
The reason for this higher power choosing to answer some prayers and ignore
others is because, well,....., something about we were given free will.
Fine.
So, the reason people "believe in a god" is because they want to.
Makes them feel certain, valued, and gives a reason to believe in life after death. Very comforting!
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. At least in America people are not persecuted
for their religious, or non religious, beliefs.
Let's at least toast and celebrate our freedom to think what we want.
End of stupid rant.
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 05:51pm PT
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You will return in your next life to finish your prison sentence if you do not finished it in this life time.
I guarantee it .....
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 06:12pm PT
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You are in prison right now unknowingly ......
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 14, 2010 - 06:19pm PT
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The warden hasn't released you yet otherwise you would have never been born .....
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MH2
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Dec 14, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
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"MH2 - Deep down I don't consider the posters to this thread anything at all. Its just two labels, in and of themselves they are meaningless.
My opinion of the posters in this thread, and by tangent, my opinion of the posters themselves, is really quite irrelevant to the original topic.
You know, the same folks show up for the same threads, over and over. What'
s up with that???
Seekers?
Argumentative?
Bored?
DMT"
Wow, that's pretty deep down!
You seem to undercut your own use of the labels 'god haters' and 'the faithful'.
Pretty much every word is meaningless in and of itself. It's connections and context that matter. How we create "meaning" is a mystery to me but I am pretty sure we rely heavily on other people than just our selves to do it and I find interest in a lot of posts to this thread.
Including your own of course, you old sh*tdisturber.
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WBraun
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Dec 14, 2010 - 06:24pm PT
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All has been proven to be true.
Only Dr F has no "eye" .....
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