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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 16, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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Christians committing terrorism, let's see....
The Crusades
The Inquisition
The Salem Witch Trials
Native Americans
The Portuguese in Africa
Robert E. Lee
The Serbs in Bosnia
To name only a few.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2015 - 08:32am PT
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dirtbag: It's not just Repubs, unfortunately. Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire has put Syrians on hold as well.
http://www.wmur.com/politics/gov-hassan-believes-feds-should-halt-acceptance-of-syrian-refugees/36479608
This is all political but also comes from the problem we have as Americans accepting risk. It is inevitable that we will be attacked in some manner by someone but it is not inevitable that we insist that this is a complete failure of our leaders. We cannot live in a free country without accepting risk. Right now we accept 30,000 gun related deaths a year as the price of widespread gun ownership. The idea that if a Syrian came over, grabbed a few guns and killed some people would be a failure of our refugee program as opposed to an expected outcome of our choices is ridiculous.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2015 - 08:40am PT
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Yep, I heard about the dem governor going along with it.
Right now we accept 30,000 gun related deaths a year as the price of widespread gun ownership. The idea that if a Syrian came over, grabbed a few guns and killed some people would be a failure of our refugee program as opposed to an expected outcome of our choices is ridiculous.
Good point.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 18, 2015 - 06:53am PT
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Call for moment of silence for France provokes this from Turkish fans.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Brought to you by the "religion of peace"
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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So we've heard much of Islamo-terrorism.
Donini gave us examples of Christian terrorism.
How about secular authoritarian governments committing terrorism?
Communist Russia's starvation of 10+ million Ukrainians in the 1930's.
Nazi Germany's extermination of 6 million Jews in the 1940's.
Communist China's cultural revolutions in the 1950's and 1960's.
Communist Pol Pot's extermination of over 1 million SE Asians in the 1970's.
That's just to name a few...and in the 20th century, not a thousand years or hundreds of years before.
Is it possible that secular authoritarian governments killed more people in the 20th century than religion did in the previous 10 centuries?
Not sure I see us evolving out of this in my lifetime.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 18, 2015 - 07:58am PT
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Yeah, TGT...we should annihilate those Muslim warmongers! Every last one of them!
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:14am PT
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what about 9/11 times a thousand? can we prevent that?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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I dunno, but the drumbeats from the Industrialized Military Complex & their political puppets are sure getting louder, aren't they?
A fear-driven public works right into the strategy...again.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:24am PT
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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TGT posted Brought to you by the "religion of peace"
I'm pretty sure TGT is a bot created to bluntly demonstrate confirmation bias.
Hermit: Ramirez cartoons are a study in oversimplified boneheadedness spelled out to appeal to everyone's inner 3rd grader. What happened to Al Qaeda when we "took out" the Taliban? The scattered and decentralized their network. One branch set up shop in Iraq and became Al Qaeda in Iraq. Some of them were too extreme for Al Qaeda (including their leader) and they split and became ISIL (which I'm now going to start calling Daesh). Daesh established itself, filled the vacuum created by the absence of governance and security in Iraq/Syria and now are branching out internationally. Do you really think that even if we could magically make Daesh territory vanish that the international threat would disappear? Displacing Daesh from holding land is obviously a priority but the idea that it would "prevent the next 9/11" is absurd.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:50am PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Hermit, TGT et al...You guys do know that the vast majority of ISIS victims are Muslims who have a very different view of Islam?
( no...you probably don't know that, or don't care.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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^^^^^^ That's why Turkish football fans, when asked to observe a moment of silence last night
for France before a match, booed lustily throughout the 'moment'.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:55am PT
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It's either Islam or it's not.
I have different view of a stop sign.
I don't need to stop on Sundays ....
Rolls Eyes
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:04am PT
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Reilly, what's your point? The fact remains, Muslims are suffering in far greater numbers than anyone else because of religious differences with ISIS.
I have no idea why some Turks at that game behaved like as#@&%es. Maybe they have fundamentalist sympathies, maybe some simply hate France and prefer freedom
Fries.
We can try to lump all facets of Islam as a giant monolithic belief system, but that would be an enormous mistake.
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