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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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It has nothing to do with racism.
Jeff, it may not have much to do with racism at the point of arrest (although there are many who would dispute that), but it has a great deal to do with racism at the fundamental level.
Just one example is your comment about lower recidivism rates among whites. Don't you think it's easier to avoid returning to jail if the socioeconomic community you come from is the one which, because of racism, is the wealthy, educated one?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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That's right High Traverse - we are #1! GO USA! :)
edit: BTW, you can even compare counts and USA is number one. Pretty amazing isn't it? Pretty costly too.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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First it was opium/heroin because the chinese liked it. It was also widely used in other communities, for medical or pseudo-medical purposes. Pretty much an all-purpose sedative and painkiller, to which many became addicted.
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pc
climber
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Sorry for the off topic rant...
Sh#t, If we're putting that many people away we might as well figure out how to benefit from it. Treat it as a "natural resource". Build giant hamster wheels, stick'em in, and make them generate power.
And please, let's streamline and add offenses to the death penalty. Rape, child molestation, violence with a weapon, etc. Zero lifespan for rapists, molesters, and violent criminals.
$.02,
pc
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yes MH, but it was perceived as asian.
Turn of the twentieth century a tenth of the entire adult population used cocaine daily.
It was in Coca-cola.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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The Economist article on 24 July should be required reading. Why the numbers are so large; the trivial offenses that can get you put away for a Long Time; the cost to society in $$ and personal/family hardship (which of course is immaterial to many legislators); and much better alternatives.
What's this got to do with Tasering Ammon?
To my feeble mind, it's a gross overreaction to the seriousness of the offense. You mean the Yos Guns couldn't have intercepted Ammon when he tried to leave the valley? There are only three paved ways out. Or did they think he'd get back in his bat suit and fly? Perhaps he'd have marched out over Vogelsang and Dononue passes? Or cross country over the high peaks? Did he have a car in the valley they could have impounded? Suppose he got away? There'd be a Criminal loose in our midst?
I'm not excusing the BASE jump. It's illegal and Ammon likely knew it.
Certainly we are just hypothesizing about Ammon and I give him no excuses IF he was "resisting arrest". I also give the Yos Guns no excuses for tasing him in the back of the neck. IF that's true (which apparently it is). Better training in use of proportional force is indicated.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
The great white north, eh?
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"Prisons are a growth industry"
So true. The AZ Governor's friends stand to make a pretty penny on the incarceration of illegals.
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SoyAnarchisto
Boulder climber
Boulder, CO
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Really was hoping to see some facts after ~500 posts...
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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The Yos Leo's have been hassling Ammon for years, they knew exactly who he was when they tasered the sh#t out of him...
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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ust to clarify re pacer- it's the federal court's electronic filing system. No case, no document. A police report wouldn't be there. I checked and there is nothing current showing for Mr. McNeely.
Please continue to speculate wildly.
Statute of Limitations.
They probably have a year to charge a misdemeanor and 7 years to prosecute a felony.
Big felonies don't have limits.
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tomtom
Social climber
Seattle, Wa
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Speaking of BULLSH#T and WRONG ...
Why do climbers like TONY BIRD TRASH El Cap? Why to you desecrate the rock you climb? Rangers have to risk their lived to clean climber's garbage and sh#t you left at Camp 6 of the Nose.
Why do you do nothing about this?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Could anyone confirm the rumor that the Taser used on Ammon was retrofitted
with the Taser Cam?
Maybe we'll see his take down on Youtube one of these days.
Ammon's helmet cam recording would be of interest also.
http://shop.fortresstactical.com/TASER-Cam-p/cam.htm
Technical Specs TASER® - CAM $459
* Records approximately 1.5 hours of audio and MPEG4 video
* Uses infrared light to record when in complete darkness
* Rechargeable - powers the complete TASER
* Storage bay carries a spare cartridge
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Could anyone confirm the rumor that the Taser used on Ammon was retrofitted
with the Taser Cam?
Really expecting to get info like that??
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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"96% of Officers were exonerated by video."
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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500
When the REAL info is released. I bet there will be another 500 post thread in ONE day.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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To my feeble mind, it's a gross overreaction to the seriousness of the offense. You mean the Yos Guns couldn't have intercepted Ammon when he tried to leave the valley? There are only three paved ways out. Or did they think he'd get back in his bat suit and fly? Perhaps he'd have marched out over Vogelsang and Dononue passes? Or cross country over the high peaks? Did he have a car in the valley they could have impounded? Suppose he got away? There'd be a Criminal loose in our midst?
Hey, High Traverse, you need to come down for some air.
People (not necessarily Ammon) can hide out for weeks or months within the valley, and find all sorts of ways to get out unseen.
Your logic is faulty.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Any Lawyer much less a "Good Lawyer" would slap you around for talking on the radio about your crime.
Guess he doesn't have a lawyer yet.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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wow, thanks for the link.
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