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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 30, 2012 - 10:52am PT
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Once again, there are several separate speculations going on here and I am NOT advocating for a population of unknown apes in North America.
So far mine are:
1. Speculations about what people see in the woods. My guess is an upright walking bear. Same for the yeti in the Himalayas
2. Speculations about how the DNA evidence as claimed so far might be explained, assuming that the DNA was not contaminated either accidentally or deliberately.
To me, Gigantipithecus was much too different genetically to have bred with Homo.
Therefore the only scenario I can imagine is hair left behind by a living Native American who has a few genetic markers inherited from Homo erectus or one of his descendants like denosovan back in Asia and much further back in time than 15,000 years. This would parallel what we see with some Europeans and neanderthal DNA.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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I can tell you Jan with 100% certainty that Gigantopithicus theory is very old school and definately out the window now. There are snipets of new info in each of these articles and I encourage you to read them Jan.
I Ran across several very good articles today, this one from the Baltimore Post Examiner is good;
http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/big-foot-dna-study-sasquatch-is-real/2012/11/30
Big Foot DNA study: Sasquatch is real
BY TIMOTHY W. MAIER · NOVEMBER 30, 2012 · 2 COMMENTS
Forgive us if we’ve made a little fun of Big Foot in a series of articles on Baltimore Post-Examiner. I know we got some serious Sasquatch hunters, scientists and researchers a little upset about their obsession. So it’s time to give a little respect to those Big Foot researchers.
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Those questioning the lab’s findings should know that her lab didn’t do all the testing. In all, 13 university labs and several private facilities were involved. Ketchum said. None of the universities were named but she said the conclusions were the same. Not human; not non-human. The only question now is will her documentary come out before the study.
As much as I hate Robert Lindsay and how inaccurate he is, he speculates on the existence of bodies remaining from the Sierras shootings
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/bigfoot-news-november-27-2012/
The Yakima Herald has some great reporting by Scott Sandsberry whom has done a well researched series of articles on Bigfoot recently. I like his unbiased presentation.
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/tuesday/557851-8/sasquatch-does-dna-say-its-human
This Paleoanthropologist is a very smart guy, reserving judgement till the study is published, which I was told today is going to be in December. Worth following him for his comments and observations post publication.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/pseudoscience/bigfoot-dna-press-release-2012.html
Here is Melba Ketchum being interviewed on ABC television
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bigfoot-evidence-dna-study-scientist-claims-species-real-17836228
Lastly I wish to remind everyone that the group to stay tuned to is the Erickson Project, whom supplied DNA from 5 separate individuals out of Golden Ears Park in British Columbia, as well as the money shot of a giant male Sasquatch in Kentucky. I have met Dennis Phol, project manager and chief videographer for Erickson, and more power to him for what he has done. My good friend Randy Brisson, and his son Ray, whom I have spent a good deal of time with in the woods has done a first rate job as a contributer to both Projects.
The Ericson Project will release footage Adrian has invested purportedly millions of dollars in getting which will be the cou d'etat to this whole effort. I suspect he will do this through either the Discovery Channel or Nat Geo
http://www.sasquatchthequest.com/
There was a total of 109 samples accepted, which I believe were provided by 29 different people across the continent, from Alaska to Kentucky
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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”we analyzed DNA from 109 samples including hair, blood, and tissue"
The problem here is there aren't "109 samples" because there aren't any sasquatch, so whatever they tested is just the biological equivalent of ape suits and fake foot prints.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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One of the troubling things I have about our Hairy friends is what happens to the dead? Do they dispose of each other some how? One would think by now we would have some bones or some other evidence other than foot prints.
Dawg.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Feb 13, 2013 - 02:15am PT
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Tomorrow is publishing day for the DNA study. I am listed as a contributer of a cluster of Bigfoot hair samples ...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 13, 2013 - 05:23am PT
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Looking forward to it.
I hope you will post the link.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 13, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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bmacd - have you seen the "sleeping bigfoot" video?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 13, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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the brief PR stuff...
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/2/prweb10427105.htm
Researchers Sequence Sasquatch Genome, Novel Hominins Extant in North America
Next-Generation Whole Genome Sequencing Proves Extant Human Relative, Findings Published in Denovo Journal of Science
.(PRWEB) February 13, 2013
A team of eleven scientists with expertise in genetics, forensics, pathology, biochemistry, and biophysics has sequenced three whole nuclear genomes from a novel, contemporary species of hominin in North America. The study, “Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies,” which analyzed DNA from a total of 111 high-quality samples submitted from across the continent, appears in the inaugural issue of Denovo: Journal of Science (http://www.denovojournal.com); on February 13.
The team, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum, DVM, of DNA Diagnostics in Nacogdoches, TX, sequenced the three whole nuclear genomes using the next-generation Illumina HiSeq 2000 platform at University of Texas, Southwestern from a tissue sample, a saliva sample, and a blood sample. The three genomes all attained Q30 quality scores above 88 on the Illumina platform, significantly higher than the platform average of 85, indicating highly-purified, single-source DNA with no contamination for each sample. The three Sasquatch genomes align well with one-another and show substantial homology to primate sequences.
In addition to the three nuclear genomes, Ketchum’s team also sequenced 20 whole and 10 partial mitochondrial genomes from the Sasquatch samples. In contrast to the nuDNA results, the Sasquatch mtDNA was fully modern Homo sapiens, indicating that the species is a hybrid cross between modern Homo sapiens in the maternal lineage and an unknown hominin male progenitor.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 13, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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I'm not sure I want to know how they got a saliva sample.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 13, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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Not published in an existing, peer-reviewed journal - what a surprise - just a website set up to publish the 'study', no doubt because no peer-reviewed journal would accept it.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 13, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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From the Erickson Project:
Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. “The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual,” explains Ketchum.
The good thing about DNA is that you can't discuss it until you have a sequence of numbers and letters to work with. Only when the actual sequence is published, will anybody know anything. Until then it's all speculation based on hearsay.
If they really have any data, then why not just publish the raw DNA sequence and let the scientific world look at it? We don't need more detailed private studies, we need the data.
P.S. I just discovered that you can have access to the article which may or may not contain the data for a mere $30.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 28, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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has anyone seen any feedback about the actual report (by someone who has read it). All of the news has been the tabloid stuff.
So I go to my local library. There is a Friends of the Library section where you can buy retired library books. I notice they had a couple of copies of Dr. Meldrum's "Sasquatch: Legend meets Science". They looked new and at 50 cents I had no choice! When I open it I saw that it was a signed copy from the lecture he gave at the library in 2010. SCORE!!! It goes into the collection of signed books for my kids.
Make fun of me if you want but it made my day :)
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 28, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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I have access to a genuine Yeti bone from Nepal if anyone is interested in purchasing it.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Feb 28, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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Well I am just as disappointed as everyone else. No journal would accept the article, so yes the guys backing this, an American and a Canadian philanthropists, bought an exisiting journal to publish in. Not cool - buttt - Oxford has picked up the ball and is running a second study, Brian Sykes whom is well known and respected in Academia, (for now at least) is following up with samples from similar sources to the ketchup study.
What a bummer this whole thing turned out to be.
Hoping the second study will be recognized and the genome results made public.
Apparently GenBank rejected the Sasquatch genomes for inclusion because if they are human then the people owning that DNA have to sign a release form. Thats an example of the continuous stumbling blocks one runs into in this game.
I'd like to see the raw data in the publi domain But Ketchup is so obsessed with profiting from this she is charging money to view at this point and thinks her raw data is worth withholding for money too .... sad
It's all fukc'ed up too badly now.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 28, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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I am surprised no one with the proper background hasn't dropped the $30 to read if for no other reason than to discredit it.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 28, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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Anyone want to pony up some scratch to check the GEEnome of an authentic Yeti Bone?
I may even have actual photos. This is more real than Sasquatch hair, it's from Nepal. Like I said, I LIVED in Sasquatch country.
In a tent with my family.
When I was a kid.
We had a canvas home....were knot homeless. We had a tent. The bros and I wandered far and wide. And Wide and far. Never saw sign. Saw many other amazing things. No Sasquatch hair. Saw pubic hair. Not mine of course, that was later. In fact as a 50 some year old, I spent a lot of time at a new climbing area just further up the road few years back. Cougar, bear and many other interesting things were observed. And scat too: cougar bear mine...scat lots of it. No Sasq, no yeti, no condors. There is a man convinced that the Condors lived in the area. He's checking GEEnome for Condors. I have my doubts.
I was taking folks up for mini tours in lieu of begging for belays. And then one day the old guy of the group dejour noted a furry animal in a big cave way up on one of the cliffs. The animal was never identified, and it was determined that whatever it was would have been able to climb badassed 5th class to get into the cave, which as of this time, has no routes near it and has most likely never seen a human visit it. Hmmm.
YET EEEEE Bone GEEnome
That's all I have. Couchmaster out.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 28, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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He wore a magnum-sized jimmy hat. I wore a grin and some garters.
I'd drop $30 to see a picture of that!
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