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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
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Skeptic!
I never said the majority of Americans are currently in favor of over turning Roe vs Wade!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Oct 25, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
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Sigh. Do I really need to go sift back through the thread to find that? Absolutely you did. I'm in the middle of some imaging homework, so I won't get to that for a while.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
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Skeptic,
You can sigh all you want, I stand firm! I did not make such a claim.
edit: and regardless, i could care less about your charts, i already said that Norton's chart confirms my statement that Americans are turning away from the will of God! That is what is going to bring judgment on this nation. The decision was taken away from the people by and large when the decision was made to make it a federal issue and not a state issue. And with prayer being taken out of public schools, God left also(His spiritual protection. Look where it has gone.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Oct 25, 2010 - 08:26pm PT
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(^^^^ very funny!)
From your post Oct 4, 2010 at 4:55 pm PT:
So, I will vote accordingly to put people into office who will eventually elect judges that represent the will of the people(75% or more are against abortion).
So yes, literally you didn't speak the words, "the majority of Americans are currently in favor of over turning Roe vs Wade." But by stating (falsely, as I & Norton have pointed out) that "75% or more are against abortion", you implied that their "will" is to overturn Roe v Wade. Do you have some other interpretation of the above that I'm not understanding?
i could care less about your charts
????? Trippy, did you go out and smoke a big fatty at 420 today? What in the hell are you talking about? Charts? I asked you to support your claims with some form of verifiable documentation- a poll, news story, whatever. Chart?
If you're going to use the Fox tactic of just making stuff up without any actual basis in fact, then your credibility is shot. You seem to sidestep every question or point that you don't have a pat answer for. All I'm doing is trying to get at a common consensus rooted in some fact. Your points are weak without some verifiable facts to back them up.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 08:35pm PT
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Yes Trippy,
You say God "left" America when prayer was taken out of schools.
WHERE did God go? Just took off? Not enough time in his day?
God just DECIDED to CUT and RUN.
And all because "prayer" was take out of schools.
Kind of like Sarah Palin not finishing her elected term?
God just got angry, just so disgusted with Americans, he just "left"?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
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Tripy, please provide your credible source for your LIE that President Obama
signed a pro choice piece of legislation into law BEFORE HE WAS INAUGURATED.
Are you really THAT stupid?
A president, you MORAN, cannot sign anything into law until he becomes
President, and that is AFTER he is inaugurated.
EXACTLY what anti abortion did the HOUSE AND SENATE pass and then he signed
into law immediately after he took office, or before?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:17pm PT
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He began the process/paperwork, he initiated it! The first steps in the process of it becoming law. He did this the very day after his election. Check the newspapers.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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Did i say He left America?
No!
You need to sharpen your reading skills.
I said He left the classroom/school ground!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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And what did he(Obama)do the very next day(after being elected)? The VERY NEXT DAY! His first presidential action was to sign and set forth the paperwork/legal actions to have abortions during the third trimester legal!!
Again you play fast and loose with your semantics. What you implied (strongly) is that he signed this into law before he was even sworn in.
Again, if you're going to make these kinds of claims, then back them up with some sort of reference. Then you can't be shot down. But from where I'm standing, you're looking kinda Kamikaze-ish....
Please respond to my last posts with an admission of misspeaking or clarify what you meant as I requested. Thank you.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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Trip7.
AGAIN
PROVE YOUR SOURCE.
Prove that the House and Senate passed a law that President Obama signed
before OR right after he took office that expressly allowed abortion past
the second trimester.
NAME THE LEGISLATION.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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Norton- "And all because "prayer" was taken out of schools?"
God was taken out of schools. The name of Jesus was/is forbidden, along with the Holy Bible.
God took the hint, He wasn't welcome. So He removed His blessings, protective presence, etc. It is no longer a safe haven and so forth...
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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Rational discourse isn't your thing, eh? Have fun in fantasy land where everything is exactly as you want it and no one challenges you to use that weight sitting above your shoulders...
C'mon, just admit you were wrong, just this one time. Haven't I done the same for you?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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rip7.
AGAIN
PROVE YOUR SOURCE.
Prove that the House and Senate passed a law that President Obama signed
before OR right after he took office that expressly allowed abortion past
the second trimester.
NAME THE LEGISLATION.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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rip7.
AGAIN
PROVE YOUR SOURCE.
Prove that the House and Senate passed a law that President Obama signed
before OR right after he took office that expressly allowed abortion past
the second trimester.
NAME THE LEGISLATION.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 25, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
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Haven't checked in here in awhile. Suuuup ?!
Last couple pages are more like a political thread than a belief in God thread.
I have a question. When Jesus ran into people he didn't tell them how wrong they were ( except for the religious elite ). He told them about God and the invisible world.
So, my question. Why do so many church going people tell others how wrong they are and not about how great God and the invisible world is ? lynne
Something I read recently.....
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they display knowledge.
There is no speech or language
where their voice is not heard.
Their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the end of the world."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 25, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
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PROVE YOUR SOURCE.
Prove that the House and Senate passed a law that President Obama signed
before OR right after he took office that expressly allowed abortion past
the second trimester.
NAME THE LEGISLATION.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 25, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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Hi Dr. F who is also my friend Craig in disguise :DD
If you are addressing me, I didn't say they were not Christians.......
When yo going to climb in Josh ?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 25, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
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Trip-
I did not question Abraham's faith. I did and always will question the idea of blind faith.
I did and always will question the idea of one small group of people on this planet having the truth and all the rest walking in darkness.
You are so fixated on what Americans think and whether or not they are close to God. Please keep in mind that America represents only 3% of the world's population and Christians of all kinds are only 20%.
I've lived in Asia for 30 years and reality looks very different from over here. You will never convince me that a loving God only cares about 3% of the human race or that all are judged by the same standard of dogma.
I also don't believe that Americans ever were closer to God than anybody else. That's just an egocentric view of ourselves encouraged by our early religious heritage. The rest of the world either laughs at our sense of self righteousness which we project onto everything from religion to our justifications for needless wars - or they find it downright revolting.
What the rest of the world does see is a lot of hypocrisy on the subject. It was good old Bible believing Americans after all, who hung witches in Salem, lynched Joseph Smith and countless African Americans, practiced genocide against the Native Americans and enslaved the Africans. In more modern times, our military has managed to kill more Iraqi civilians than even Saddam Hussein, all because George Bush thought he had a commission from God to start that war.
And isn't it more than a little hypocritical for the very men who supported Bush on his "crusade" which has killed so many innocent women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan and Johnson in Vietnam before that, to then get so self righteous over women and abortions? I agree that murder is a sin. I don't agree that men have the right to dictate to women about the sin of murder however, until their own war mongering hands are clean first.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Oct 25, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
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Nuton,
It wasn't right after he took office, it was right after election day. He started the process that would reinstate third term abortion. I read it in the San Diego Tribune newspaper and i am not about to go through the process of hunting it down just to qwell your rabid demands and satisfy your apparent ignorance on the matter.
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