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scarface
Trad climber
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Oct 11, 2010 - 10:49am PT
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I thought it was the Old Testicle and the New Testicle.
You know, reflecting the paternal nature of Christianity.
SF
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 11, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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Trip-
I am well aware of the difference between the Transfiguration and Pentecost and I don't want to get into a technical discussion with you. The point I am making is that there is more than one way to interpret these events, that people of other religions have experienced similar things, and that all religious people have to be careful not to get so caught up in memorizing words, that they forget the spirit behind the words.
In our global culture, Christians do not have a monopoly on interpretation of Scripture, even their own. You and others may insist that your interpretation is correct, but that will not stop other people from understanding it in a different way, especially if they have their own internal experiences and other Scriptures to compare to.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 11, 2010 - 11:01am PT
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Weschrist-
Not all religions kill each other over language and scriptures although that is all too common among the exclusivist monotheistic religions that originated in the Middle East.
My suggestion to use a language other than Greek was in the hope that we might get a fresh start with language that is not associated with all the negativity that has gone before.
Meanwhile, I'm wondering what book/author your diagram came from as it looked like quite an interesting and comprehensive scheme even if centaur is not one of my favorite words.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 11, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
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Evangelicals have the greater knowledge of the Old and New Testament(Bible)than any of the groups There is a very great deal about the origins and evolution of Christianity (more accurately, Paulism) that you won't learn from reading the bible.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 11, 2010 - 12:37pm PT
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Should've known, you can't win in today's world- critics on all sides.
Not all observations that don't agree with your own are criticisms. Sometimes they're just differences of opinion.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 11, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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Thanks Weschrist!
I like Ken Wilbur too. One of my all time favorite books in this field is his 1973 work, The Spectrum of Consciousness. To me, he represents the way forward.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 11, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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the exclusivist monotheistic religions that originated in the Middle East. The roots of Paulism are, amongst many other things, found in Mesopotamian creation myths, Greek intellectualism and historicism, and so on. Zoroastrianism, which appeared in Bactria (now Afghanistan - central Asia) in perhaps 800 BCE, was the first known monotheistic religion, and as it was adopted by the Persians, the Jews and so Christians were well aware of it. The Eygptians also briefly gave a kind of monotheism a try, but it didn't take. But possibly the Jews at least acquired something of it.
All religions are human-developed and syncretist.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 11, 2010 - 07:25pm PT
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The syncretic nature of all mythology is, upon a close examination, a self evident truth, though few on this thread seem to understand this simple idea, an idea that mitigates against the specific correctness of any existing religious dogma... congratulations mighty hiker!
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go-B
climber
Matthew 25:40
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Oct 14, 2010 - 06:55pm PT
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1 Corinthians 2:9, but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 14, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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Can we all agree that this is THE most beautiful motor ever EVOLVED?
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 14, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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"Make one fast choice now and no second! Come, clear your heart and quickly walk with me into Brahma, while there is time!"
Ramayana
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Tung Gwok
Mountain climber
South Bend, Indiana
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
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Dr. F.,
Thanks for posting.
TG
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 15, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
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in your mindless advance
Oh oh .....
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go-B
climber
Matthew 25:40
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Oct 17, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 18, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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"Adoration unto the supreme Being, pure, eternal and all-pervading, the changeless Reality, the one Being, meditating upon whom sages attain liberation, eternal and undifferentiated, the One out of whom the visible world, the scene of diversity, comes into existence, in whom it rests, and to whom it returns in the end when the world-cycles come to a close."
Brahmapurana
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go-B
climber
Matthew 25:40
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Oct 23, 2010 - 08:20am PT
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NASB-Psalm 72:3, Let the mountains bring peace to the people,
And the hills, in righteousness.
18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel,
Who alone works wonders.
19 And blessed be His glorious name forever;
And may the whole earth be filled with His glory
Amen, and Amen.
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go-B
climber
Matthew 25:40
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Oct 24, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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Deuteronomy 32:1, “Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak,
and let the earth hear the words of my mouth.
2 May my teaching drop as the rain,
my speech distill as the dew,
like gentle rain upon the tender grass,
and like showers upon the herb.
3 For I will proclaim the name of the Lord;
ascribe greatness to our God!
4 “The Rock, his work is perfect,
for all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness and without iniquity,
just and upright is he.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 24, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
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Big on good old Deuteronomy today, Gobee?
Here is some more from your hero.
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Once again God approves of forcible rape.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Oct 24, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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Numbers 31:35, 40 describes the sacrifice of 32 virgin girls for the glory of God ("the Lord's tribute" means sacrifice as burnt offerings).
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