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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Feb 24, 2016 - 10:31am PT
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(Bush should) "not name a nominee until after the November election is complete." "The Senate Judiciary committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until after the political campaign season is over." Joe Biden
None of these quotes matter. People have evolved the intelligence to not let facts interfere with their partisan beliefs.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 24, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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None of these quotes matter. People have evolved the intelligence to not let facts interfere with their partisan beliefs.
But don't you know that political implications from facts have a time dimension?
It amuses me to see partisans for either party sanctimoniously accuse the other of wrongful conduct on court appointments. The positions of both parties are identical -- it only depends on which party controls which branch of the government.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 24, 2016 - 11:27am PT
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Dirtbag, Sandoval is the person I had mentioned when I suggested that Obama should consider a centrist. If the Republicans were reasonably risk averse, they'd confirm him, since if Trump becomes their nominee, they not only will fail to regain the White House, they'll lose the Senate, too.
John
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2016 - 11:29am PT
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Someone in the White House must've read your post. :-) He's being vetted.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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And presto, republicans have reportedly already nixed the idea of a Sandoval nomination.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
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Yes, all in all, a good troll.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 24, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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Wouldn't you know it? The first time Obama takes my advice, it inures to the detriment of the Republicans.
John
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 24, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 24, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
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it would be very interesting if President Obama did nominate Sandoval, a Republican governor for the Scalia vacancy.
Would all the many congressional Republicans break their promise and have a hearing?
That might really piss off their base, actually considering an Obama nomination.....
It could all hit the fan pretty soon, and be quite entertaining to follow....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 24, 2016 - 04:36pm PT
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The stupid remarks made by Joe Biden about making Supreme Court Appointees during an election year were made in Mid June of an election year, not in late February.
So it's not completely the same, since we all knew H.W. Bush would lose in Nov. 1992 by then.
And Obama is not a Lame Duck President yet, so McConnell was WRONG when he called Obama a lame duck.
you become a lame duck after the election has been finalized and you will not be coming back in January as President.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 24, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
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you got me Blah blah
the author really got the language wrong
you win
But what about the rest of the article
Scalia Sr. founded the American Fascist Party in 1934 only two years before Antonin was born. Apparently a 60 Minutes interview included extensive biographical information on Justice Scalia and his family, where they identify his father as “a professor of romance languages at Brooklyn College” and failed to disclose that he was a member of the American-Italian Fascist Party during Mussolini’s regime in the 1930s. He’s a man who is well in the tradition of Franco and Mussolini.
Mr. Scalia went on an infamous hunting trip with Dick Cheney in 2004 to his vacation spot in Southern Louisiana. It seems Mr. Cheney’s trip raised growing questions about the propriety of a Supreme Court justice going on a hunt the same time Scalia was hearing a case involving the vice president. The case, which has to do with whether Cheney must reveal who serves on his energy task force. Further complicating the question: The host of the hunting trip is a prominent member of the energy industry. Of course, he did not recuse himself from the case and The Court ruled in Cheney’s favor.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 24, 2016 - 06:14pm PT
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The optics of a black president, potentially nominating a person of color, and being ignored by a white Senate, would look really bad to the general electorate.
Not to the trump supporters.
since if Trump becomes their nominee, they not only will fail to regain the White House, they'll lose the Senate, too.
I am not sure about that.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 24, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
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you got me Blah blah
the author really got the language wrong
you win
But what about the rest of the article
We all make mistakes, I make plenty, but the error in the article you linked strongly suggested to me that the author isn't qualified to write anything about the law.
Anyway, importing whatever Scalia's father did seems unfair and irrelevant to judging Scalia, although it may be interesting background.
I do recall that there have been many allegations that Scalia should have recused himself on various cases over the years--it's not my area of law, but as I understand it, the Supreme Court justices don't even have ethics rules as to recusals, it's just left to the judgment of each justice. Scalia must have believed that his judging wasn't affected by his various personal relationships. Probably not an ideal situation, but I don't think anyone seriously contends that Scalia was deciding cases to help the individual parties before the court rather than to settle more general legal principles.
Would it surprise you to know that Scalia's son Gene is partner in a very prominent, very profitable national law firm that's reputation is to a large extent based on having a thriving practice before the Supreme Court (although Gene doesn't personally work on Supreme Court cases, as I understand it)? I was attorney in the Denver office of that law firm for many years and my few interactions with Gene were distinctly odd and unpleasant, but again, we don't normally judge people by their relatives.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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That will give the conspiracy theorists a lot to chew on.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 25, 2016 - 11:34am PT
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Boy, Ken, talk about a reach! From the article cited:
"A review of public records shows that some of the men who were with Scalia at the ranch are connected through the International Order of St. Hubertus, whose members gathered at least once before at the same ranch for a celebratory weekend."
That sure proves a lot! If I go to Disneyland, I'll bet that some of the people there with me have some sort of secret connection, too. Is the idea that a Justice should not associate with anyone about whom public records shows a connection to a "secret society" -- whatever that may be?
In a way, this strikes me as a relative of some of Craig's attacks on Scalia. Unable to address his legal reasoning, they resort to innuendo to attack his character. Pretty sad.
John
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 25, 2016 - 11:37am PT
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International Order of St. Hubris
Fixed that for you...
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 25, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
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"Unable to address his legal reasoning, they resort to innuendo to attack his character."
There exists a pretty vast literature that addresses Scalia's legal reasoning.
I don't think Scalia himself would ever argue that his opponents could not "address" his legal reasoning in general. In specific cases where he felt the case was ironclad, perhaps. But not in general.
That's because, whatever else Scalia was, he was not an idiot (at least, when he was younger; toward the end of his life he was clearly slipping).
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Jorroh
climber
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Feb 25, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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Obama should put forward an increasingly conservative roster of nominees.
As each gets rejected, one after the other, then hopefully that will rule them out as candidates when the next president is elected.
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