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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 10, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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gender orientation is not something one chooses
Really?! Are you suggesting our sexual feeling or attraction is rooted in the material body? This is materialist! Feelings (like hunger, thirst, love, hate, grief, joy, lust) are sourced by the soul, not the body. How could matter be the source of feelings, otherwise sentience or so-called qualia - that's just nuts.
As a Christian, I wouldn't believe matter or material (body) could generate sentience or feeling (e.g., lust) - not ever - till it was proven in a lab with measurements and data and till I could see it with my own eyes. The whitecoats aka beaker boys aren't even close to that. It's true, just ask them.
It's ghost-spirit that thirsts and hungers. It's the ghost-spirit that grieves and rejoices. It's the ghost-spirit that lusts and it's the ghost-spirit - certainly not base matter - that chooses whether that lust feeling is going to roll homo or hetero.
Matter doesn't feel, only divine soul or spirit does. Read up on dualism (incl the so-called Hard Problem).
Am I right or wrong here?
Also read up on free will. The God of Moses and Abraham gave us the power of free will. So it's entirely up to us to choose amongst the paths of good and evil in this life. Shall it be the righteous path or not? Regarding homo orientation, read Leviticus. States God's Law on the matter very plainly. Could not be more plain.
The Law is pretty clear since it's so straight-forward.
Once again, how could matter generate feelings? Whether it's joy or grief or love or hate or hunger or thirst or lust (homo or hetero). So again, clearly this is the purview of the ghost (spirit) of the body that has free will. So what will it be, good or evil. The God of Adam and Abraham gives us the choice.
Matter doesn't feel. Mind and its thoughts and feelings are independent of the brain, ultimately. Brain only calculates. Brain only interfaces between environment and divine spirit. Love and hate, like ideas and thoughts, are of the spirit, not the body; they are 100% spiritual. Spiritual. The Bible says so. Church Authority says so. History says so.
Those who believe otherwise, the materialists, are deluded. Materialism is the devil's doing. As matter-material could never give rise to love or hate, joy or grief - let alone that sexual thing - this is really all so evident, so plain. Material scientists repent! as long as you're on this side of the grass, it's not too late!!
Am I right or wrong here?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 10, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
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You see how Abrahamic religions make a mess of it.
It's time we questioned these ancient beliefs - all of them. It's time we threw out all the outdated ones that are (a) counterfactual or else (b) retro or stifling regarding basic human rights.
The sooner the modern zeitgeist - backed by science and modernity-informed morality - takes hold amongst all the cultures of the world, the better for us all.
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Sam Harris on the illusion of free will (it's the best out there)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g
Note the likes/dislikes ratio, quite revealing and quite positive for such an existentially penetrating, culturally shocking, if not depressing (at first blush) subject.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 10, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
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It's not unfair at all to pin the lion's share of support for anti gay measures and campaigns- particularly monetary support, on Christian organizations. Follow the money.
In 2012 four State level anti-gay initiatives were defeated. They were funded by $40 millions dollars - every single dollar of which came from Christian organizations.
Nope. Not unfair at all.
Yeah, the non-religious hate on gays, too. Put the money that fuels that hate at the ballot box comes from only one place: Christians.
When called on it, they invariably all say the same thing: Blame God, not me.
I wasn't aware God made campaign donations.
Gotta ski up Glacier Peak. The Sun - the real one - is returning.
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WBraun
climber
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May 10, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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I should buy a LARGE capacitor and electrically charge and connect it up to the metal toilet seat in fruitys house to discharge whenever his moist butt lowers down to make contact.
Then maybe he'll wake up to whatever he's trying to rant against ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 10, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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Anything less than 1,000,000 microfarads and 100V wouldn't even get me to bat an eyelash let alone fart. So good luck with that. ;)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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May 10, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
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Rosoide, so after reading all these posts, especially this last one, I pretty much believe you are Lois, LEB and you are back here again.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 10, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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Rosoide,
you're saying (a) our genetics determines our physiology? and (b) our genetics (by way of our physiology) generates our (sexual) feelings?
How can matter - which, at base, is just atoms and molecules - generate feelings? Feelings like love, joy, compassion. In addition to a feeling of sexual attraction. That sounds pretty incredible to me.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 10, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
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How can matter - which, at base, is just atoms and molecules - generate feelings?
you get
hungry
tired
lonesome
and horny
Don't ya?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 10, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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Rosoide, I'm sorry to hear about what you are going through and facing. This place can get really rough and tumble, really negative, if you continue to post here please don't personalize anything. Best of luck with your results.
Hey, since you're new and so you know, I'm as much a physiologist/ materialist as you are sounds like, I was just playing the devils advocate there for awhile, I suppose role playing and asking myself once again... what it feels like to be a Christian supernaturalist (cf: bat).
Again, best of luck to you.
XOXO
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 10, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
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May 6, 2014 - 11:49am PT
I will carry the cross myself!
Moose
I'll put it on YouTube.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 10, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
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I do believe, however, that we are more and more becoming a better educated society wherein we are learning that gender orientation is not something one chooses.
Oh contrair' scientificly, of the hundreds I have met and delt with. I know atleast two dozen that CHOOSE to go one way, and then the other. And if their were only one. That would refute ur arguement.
BB
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 10, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
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How can matter - which, at base, is just atoms and molecules - generate feelings? Feelings like love, joy, compassion. In addition to a feeling of sexual attraction. That sounds pretty incredible to me.
Who are you? And what have you done with Fruity?
I'm Start'in to think ur LEB
BB
Edit: oh i see now.
Rosoide, my sincere condolence also. My brother is facing somewhat the same scenario.
BTW, how old are you?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 10, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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Some people claim to be bisexual and state that they can, in fact, go either way. Perhaps they are. I will take them at face value.
I'm not proposing 50/50's. people that are jus very sexual, and will take everything they can get.. I'm talkin, people that Loved one way, then, all of asudden Hated it..
Ur talkin genetics. i may be talkin semantics? I will say, it is put on their plate. And brought to their awareness through evolution. Be it genetics, or societal.
But REGARDLESS, don't predict how i will vote before I close the curtain.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 10, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
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Hey Rosoide,
Hope you have some better news, and peace.
Clink
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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May 10, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
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Rosoide, why would you gather that I did not like Lois? I am praying for your life challenges. Peace, lynne
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 10, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
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This whole thing does suck big time but we don't get much choice in these sorts of things.
It does suck BIGTIME! I've lost alot of friends as of late. And to lose my little brother at the age of 34, SUCKS bigtime!!!... For me
But I know it doesn't have to for the sufferer. IF they know where their going..
Which Leeds us back to choice. For the Homosexual, if they are atheist or religious, homosexualality isn't concuritive to either. Not by way of evolution nor God.
But for the evolutionary step. I thank the "Gays" for ushering in the sensitivity of man. Seems like "OldSchool" mans comfort was being brazen? Or emotionless.
Which is Queer!!!
BB
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 11, 2014 - 12:23am PT
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60 posts in two days no prior history. you couldn't possibLEB more obvious. why not be honest for once?
what's up sully? low tech misfit. Silicon Valley Casualty?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 11, 2014 - 01:40am PT
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^^^^ either way, it's Satan talkin
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John M
climber
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May 11, 2014 - 01:48am PT
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Here is the irony of the whole thing. LEB is always first "recognized" not by the detractors but rather by the people who actually like her.
nope.. not true..
good luck with the surgery.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 11, 2014 - 02:04am PT
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best wishes for your surgery lois.
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