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sethsquatch76

Trad climber
Joshua tree ca
Sep 4, 2012 - 12:24am PT
Mr. Robert Fonda,

you just solved my problem and you don't even know it........PM me Wally's email and Io will solve the pit trash/management problem this fall when we return.....Or call me, this is a win win!
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 4, 2012 - 06:47am PT
Thanks Seth,

We will be in touch.
sethsquatch76

Trad climber
Joshua tree ca
Sep 4, 2012 - 10:59am PT
And Jstan,

you are the man! ultra extra way rad of you to be donating so much of your time to this trash clean up project both with ion and outside of the park!

Not sure if we know each other but Sabra and I will definitely be buying you some beers when we return in the fall!!!! Do you prefer Tecate? Solid work, thank you very much!!!!

Seth zaharias


ps Robert though your work maybe thankless, many have benefited. the pit is the best little sh#t hole in jt. Your work ion the pit has definitely kept people out of my yard, so thank you very much and beers coming your way as well!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 4, 2012 - 11:41am PT
RLF doesn't live in the town of Joshua Tree ;D
sethsquatch76

Trad climber
Joshua tree ca
Sep 4, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
Spending summers in JT has never been a reality for me......That's for tough guys/gals. I'm working ion the western sierras. Elevation is my friend during the summer months...
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 4, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
Summers in JT are like winters in the valley... everyone comes out of it engaged triathletes.
jstan

climber
Sep 4, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
Actually the evenings when the change in sun angle causes air to start moving makes summer one of the most engaging seasons. There is peace and quiet deep enough to allow one to sit outside and listen to what the quail are discussing.

I post a lot of their ideas here.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Sep 4, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
Was there a post that was deleted(which insulted RLF)? I don't see one, and surely hope nothing I said was felt to be insulting.

As for "live in same town" remark - I think it makes sense, when a subject is being discussed, that the person would post a "hey I have an idea" to the forum. It's cluing others in that they care about the issue rather than staying silent and working behind the scenes. He wouldn't want to post details of his idea without discussing with appropriate people beforehand, but there's nothing wrong with giving a heads up in the public forum that I know of.


As it stands, my intention is to be in JT this winter. I am going to have to pull one hell of a magic trick to do so, but I have faith! And when I get there, I am really willing to help in whatever way I am able to make the Pit hospitable. In 2010, Dock C was the one who would give people coming in the beta. A lot of people thought he was an azz, but he was up before dawn and anyone coming in late at night and camped up high got told to move, and nobody dared put their trash in the dumpster.


jstan

climber
Sep 4, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Dock C was the one who would give people coming in the beta. A lot of people thought he was an azz, but he was up before dawn and anyone coming in late at night and camped up high got told to move, and nobody dared put their trash in the dumpster.

Very good! I'll make one suggestion that can tamp down the resentment at being told. Before approaching someone, grab a friend by the elbow and go together. It deals with the tendency we all have to personalize without first getting supporting data. Turns it into a welcome visit.

Happi:
Be careful you don't junk a good vehicle just because of rocker panels. I used to live in "The Salt City". Any day you saw a vehicle with good rocker panels was a special day.

A trowel and some body cement and you are good to go.

Edit:
You are the expert HG.

Grabber sticks on order. Had to choose a personalization to be printed on them.

JTNP Facelift.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Sep 4, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
JStan - Actually...not good to go. The windshield needs replacement to pass inspection, but the body is rusted at points, which will put pressure on the glass as it grows.

If it were just that issue, I might replace the glass anyways. But...

There is something wrong with the suspension which won't allow to pass. I haven't looked into exactly what it entails but... it is also leaking power steering fluid and coolant. The steering fluid, I know where is leaking, the coolant I do not.

The body is very rusty, to the point now that the leprosy grows worse each day. Not that this is a big issue to me, but I am pretty sure the frame is in bad shape as well.

Add the above fixes and it would cost as much as a replacement van, I think. It makes me mad, because the engine itself is very smooth as is the transmission, and with 278K miles, and both those components original - that is pretty amazing.




The sign I think is a good idea. Clark had suggested last year that we print out some papers with guidelines to give to people when they came. I said we need to talk to RLF before doing that, and I guess we dropped the ball.

FreeCoffee

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2012 - 10:19am PT
The Access Fund posted an article about the Lower Chasm that has also been picked up by Rock and Ice:

http://www.rockandice.com/news/2237-egregious-wilderness-climbing-violations-at-joshua-tree#disqus_thread

http://www.accessfund.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5000939&ct=12186577

Personal thanks to JStan and Dave for their work in The Pit; and to everyone who has helped out at Rattlesnake Canyon and Indian Cove.

Also, glad to note that as of yesterday, the graffiti on top of Cyclops rock has been removed.

The Climbers Coffee season will begin on Saturday, October 13. Bring your coffee mugs to Hidden Valley.

We're doing a service project with Climbsmart on Saturday, October 20 that all are welcome to help with. The plan is to reveg a burned area along Keys View Road.

Volunteers are welcome at anytime, anyday, for all sorts of projects. Please email me or George Land (volunteer coordinator) if you have an interest. bernadette_regan@nps.gov george_land@nps.gov

Cheers to a new season in JTree.

Bernadette Regan
JT Climbing Ranger
RtM

climber
DHS
Sep 18, 2012 - 11:15am PT
Hey Bernadette - thanks for removing that grafitti on Cyclops!

If yur interested, theres is also some tagging deep in Rattlesnake canyon, next to the boulder problem called Little Negra (listed in the new bouldering guide).

Thanks in advance!
10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Sep 18, 2012 - 11:22am PT
Who tags in Joshua Tree? I mean, wtf
ATS

climber
Mountain Project
Sep 18, 2012 - 11:49am PT
Bolts, some hanging rope, rocks to make a bench can all be "undone." But burning a jtree? Come on guys...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 18, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
Hear Hear! My sediments exactly!
He picks up his own cigarette but and he wants a pat on the back
jstan

climber
Sep 18, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
We were very reluctant to touch what we thought was Jim's stuff but Jim was successfully contacted last night and he gave us the go-ahead. Today while working on that Blueblocker stopped by and helped out. Thanks so much.

If not before I go to Facelift, then after, I'll put out a trip report on the Pit, complete with pictures. It has been a memorable experience for me with new friends gained, worth every investment made. Staying there now will resemble living in a landfill, only if each of us does not step up to the bar.

2200 pounds removed.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
Cheers to a new season in JTree.

Thanks and same to you.

Thanks again for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated.


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 18, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
I've had plenty of fun in Josh, but there are numerous areas that are warmer, have better climbing and way less camping hassles than JT. I don't get the attraction of sharing a landfill with a bunch of desert tweakers to climb grainy one pitch climbs.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
Yea Scaredycat
Josh Sucks! Tell all Your friends. And go somewhere else!

Try Canada

Jus Agree'in
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