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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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that's it. i've had it with the ss curry company.
i am running for president of yosemite this novenmber.
remember to vote early, and vote often.
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BASE1430
climber
Cadyville, NY
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This is an attack on the liberty of a group of people who choose to live in a way that is not understood. The liberty of others should not be regulated as long as it doesn't endanger another persons liberty. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I wish to pursue happiness by taking my liberty to risk my life!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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It should be remembered that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is not even from the Constitution but from the Declaration of Independence.
For over two and a third centuries we've been adding fine print.
We are now at the point where even lawyers can't know ALL the laws.
How could civilians?
Perhaps not a coincidence that the US now imprisons more humans than any country in the history of the world.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, dr. sprock... oh my.... thanks for thinking of me, but say, just some simple "cowpie/manure" for the ol' roses, would have been fine... oh my.... :O
you see:
i'm more of a two shots of scotch, if i want to feel a buzz... never needed the other plant stuff... :)
howard duff, was the best clue... :) *am an old time movie gal, here, but still--even then, i have to do a yahoo-search if i can't place a face...
*never watch crime shows though---was surpirsed no one else got the title...
say, scared silly... i am off to go check your links you here...
thanks...
:)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there all... say, aside from ammon, at the moment...
here is an interesting bit of news from scotland:
NEWS.scotsman.com:
Epileptic seizures warning to police over tasersPremium Article !
Date: 06 February 2010
USING a taser on someone with epilepsy could cause them to suffer a seizure, campaigners have warned.
Epilepsy Scotland has questioned whether police officers have had the training to properly identify seizures in people who seem unresponsive, intoxicated or aggressive.
Chief executive Lesslie Young said: "Without appropriate training, police officers at the very least could unnecessarily hurt someone with the taser just before, during or after a seizure when the individual is unable to respond. At worst, discharging a taser may potentially trigger a seizure in either a person with well-controlled epilepsy or someone who never had a seizure until 50,000 volts of electricity from a taser hits them."
Epilepsy Scotland is calling on police across Scotland to ensure adequate epilepsy training is available to their staff. The proposed introduction of tasers confirms again that awareness training for all operational staff is essential, it said
the reason that i share it:
as, it is always good and needed for those in law enforment, as well as health care, to KNOW what seizures are and who the behavorior DIFFERS from the behavorior of those with INTENT to harm...
as always, hours of training, and observing etc, is needed, but it can mean safety for citizens and officers as well, and stop unjust dangerous situations in many cases, perhaps far more than one realizes...
well, back to main topic now...
:)
edit:
*you can read a lot on this, if you do a search for:
seizure awarenss and tasers...
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Wow, five hundred posts of speculation, yet nobody is willing to spend eight cents a page, as Jesse suggests, to see what The Man has to say about Ammon, and get some factual information?
"There will be a use of force review panel for the incident (as always)."
"Look, it's the El Cap Pirate!"
"Get him!"
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jstan
climber
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The last mention I saw about Pacer said the document is not yet up.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Eye witness studies have shown that they are rarely reliable.
Even when witnesses see the exact same thing, their stories are different on the stand.
In the heat of the moment with split second reactions...............
The Government had said NO BASE!!
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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There is a document that determines what "Fine" is given to certain crimes or infractions to the rules.
"BAIL SCHEDULE"
National Park Regulations are under Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
36 CFR
Breaking these laws is a misdemeanor but the LEOs have the option of using State law as well.
The "Bail Schedule" is determined by the Federal Judge overseeing the jurisdiction.
Sometimes it is money.
Sometimes it is mandatory court appearances.
Sometimes it is arrest.
Some guide lines for arrest is public safety, crime prevention, criminal flight, evidence protection.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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I wish to pursue happiness by taking my liberty to risk my life!
not ok if you do so by driving the hwy at 150mph, would you agree?
if so, you agree at least in principle that laws can be made that restrict activities SOME people might otherwise choose to enjoy? and that the individual cannot simply decide to disregard said laws without risk of consequence to oneself?
pretty simple really.
maybe this thread would be better served if it were just about tasing, or just about the fact BASE jumping is not allowed in the park...
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BASE1361
climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
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Matt the problem with your analogy is that driving on the HWY at 150mph involves innocent people in close proximity.
BASE jumping has only injured and killed ONE person. The jumper.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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i agree- to a degree.
however, what's right about my analogy still stands.
and since we don't have an opt-in system where we all just follow only those laws we agree with...
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Sheik aka JD
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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A few anecdotes...
I've hung with the Brothers McNeely. They can get crazy. Good people though.
Once I was at the base of Half Dome at o-dark-thirty, getting ready for a climb, when the sound of falling refrigerators came screaming down the wall. We thought for sure we were dead from rockfall. After diving into the boulders and bushes we looked up and saw two frikkin' BASE jumpers in flight suits go whipping by. Pretty cool, until I felt the pain in my twisted ankle and had to hobble miles of terrain back to camp. That sucked. The rangers did eventually help though, with crutches, a horse, first aid, and a minimal insurance bill.
My family, close friends and I once fought a significant police brutality case. One rarely wins in that situation...false charges that typically get bargained into a plea (even if you did nothing wrong; it's often easier to take the plea bargain), time, money, physical pain, punitive damages, you against the system, etc. That sucked.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Perhaps not a coincidence that the US now imprisons more humans than any country in the history of the world.
Not quite. At least not yet.
That great bastion of Civil Rights and Democracy, The People's Republic of China is very likely way ahead of us. Even though they don't publish their numbers.
I believe we're #2
We're trying hard to be #1 'cause we always gotta be #1
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Wrong.
Used to be the Soviet Union.
China ain't no bed of roses, but most of its people are subjugated by social circumstance.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Just to clarify re pacer- it's the federal court's electronic filing system. No case, no document. A police report wouldn't be there. I checked and there is nothing current showing for Mr. McNeely.
Please continue to speculate wildly.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Ron
I stand (or rather sit) corrected.
Inmates per 100,000 population
USA: 748
Russia: 600
Brazil: approx 220
Britain: approx 150
China: approx 120
Canada: approx 110
France: approx 90
Germany: approx 80
Japan: approx 60
"There are over 4,000 Federal crimes, and many times that number of regulations that carry criminal penalties"
The Economist 24 July 2010
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I was talking overall, although those stats support my claim.
It is due to the drug laws, which originated mostly out of racism.
Although prisons are a growth industry it is a black hole worse than gambling rendering our country less efficient and handicapping our ability to compete in a world economy.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I said "originated".
First it was opium/heroin because the chinese liked it.
Then cocaine because blacks liked it.
Then alcohol. That didn't work out because white people liked it too much.
Sooooo, 1934 saw out of work federal agents. Instant fix; ban marijuana, again it is the choice of cheap laborers (this time mexicans).
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