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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2018 - 11:15am PT
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"G'damn... if only..."...
LMAO!!!...
49,986 indeed. LMAO
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 11:34am PT
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People were getting opioids from the doctors, going to one to another and another. Then they made the database law, which I would expect most people think is a GOOD thing, where doctors must register when prescribing patients certain drugs.
But addicts are good at "the game," and how is a doctor, really, supposed to measure pain level when the patient says they need more" to counter it?
Many, many heroin addicts made the switch when unable to get either prescribed drugs from doc, or buy on the street drugs inadvertently prescribed by doc to someone abusing the system.
Addiction is not a "week-willed, loser" condition, and a BIG part of what KEEPS people from seeking help when they find themselves in the throes is good old-fashioned shame. There ARE people reading this forum who may have become addicted and are scared, and reaching out for help becomes that much harder when their "community" blames them.
For those who insist it's a choice - I hope you thank your lucky stars for your ignorance, that you have never known the hell that addiction is. But do yourself a favor and get educated on the topic rather than obstinately clinging to a myth that was debunked decades ago.
And Cosmic, I am sorry you are in pain. I just get so up in arms when I see someone bullying another, and that's what you do to Patrick. He's an easy target, as he doesn't have the list of FA's, or the witnessed C4 antics, that insulate some people here who, if less well-known, would definitely be less highly regarded. Nobody is going to come to his defense and say they'll defend their friends to no end....like EKat did in another thread when someone made a disparaging, albeit true, comment.
So - you say you've been off the meds, and Patrick says he hasn't been drinking. Suppose I continue despite your already telling me what's what, to crack remarks about you and pain meds? Especially since, as you have said, you are suffering pain without them. Can you not see that that would be a torment you don't deserve to endure? So, why treat another in such a way? Whatsoever you do.... and all.
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John M
climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 11:35am PT
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Most likely the people on this forum don't fit into the norm.
At the height of my problems with neck and shoulder and lower back pain I had 3 percent body fat, weigh 173 pounds and was running 5 to 10 miles a day on mountain trails, with the occasional 20+ mile day. The running was one of the ways that I managed pain. Now, do to other health problems, my weight has sky rocketed and I am seriously out of shape, yet have less back pain. Mostly because of the physical, mental and spiritual work that I did. It took all three. Now I just have to work on healing these other chronic issues. One is fibromyalgia which is chronic muscle pain with chronic fatigue. I exercise when I can, but exercise aggravates instead of relieves this pain, and if I do too much then I can end up bed ridden. Thats one of the tricky parts of auto immune diseases. Of which I have had 3. Fibro, Crohn's, and arthritis. Its hard to imagine at my current weight that I once weighed 115 pounds, I'm 6'1", and the docs gave me less then a year to live and at that time wanted to remove most of my intestines, which was the treatment for Crohn's back in the day. The current thing that I am working on is healing PTSD. There are reports that relate PTSD to issues like Fibro. They also connect it to back pain.
The body, mind and soul are such complex things. I know I know, some of you don't believe in the soul or in God. Well, guess what... I do and have found profound relief from working to understand the soul and working to know God.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jan 23, 2018 - 11:52am PT
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More on the now CDC required prescribed narcotic protocol -
of which I have been a part of for over 15 years now with four spine surgeries
every 30 days I have to go to my pain doc's office and bring my pills with me
so that they can be counted and the math done to insure I am taking them in compliance
in addition, every 4 months or so I have to pee in a bottle which is sent to a lab
the lab reports back if I do or do not have narcotics in my system
a lack of narcotics would show I am not taking them but instead possibly selling them
this stuff is very regulated nowadays, I have to jump through a lot of hoops
the few often wreck things for the many.....
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John M
climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 11:55am PT
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wow. I had no idea that it had gotten that bad. I knew it was getting bad, but wow. That sucks. I am so grateful that I was able to get off the hard pain meds.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 11:59am PT
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Everyone always says "believe".
Well God and soul is NOT believe, as they are absolute facts.
Modern cavemen gross material scientists and clueless atheists are totally clueless about God and soul.
Thus they are useless to the facts of God, soul, and the absolute spiritual realm ......
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
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I just get so up in arms when I see someone bullying another, and that's what you do to Patrick. He's an easy target,
Thank you Happiegrrrrl for the perspective on drugs (alcohol being the worst, in moderation it's okay but still a toxin, my GP Mary and I were discussing that yesterday).
But I do not need help standing up to the rabble on the forum, as I am one of them. FAs? I have them, just never listed them (primarily along both Highway 108 and Castle Crags) as my goal as a climber was not to huff my chest. I have FAs that others claim and I do not give a flying…
The issue about drugs, meds, opioids, PAIN, is not what this thread was meant to be about, but perhaps in some perverse way it is tied with Trump, he is a pain.
I have to add, using the public phone line to the White House to promote partisan messages is a new low. But then Trump and his supporters pride themselves in lowering the bar as far as it can go.
And as far as this forum is concerned, I have always bared my soul and heart, so if such honesty, or whatever one wants to call it, comes back to bite me, so be it, I probably asked for it.
I have never and never will lose sleep over anything posted on this forum. Outside of the climbing content, it is a lark.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2018 - 12:44pm PT
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Outside of the climbing content, it is a lark.
Let me rephrase that, in addition to some outstanding posts on the forum dealing with climbing, there have been some fine posts dealing with other issues. Some posts and links that I have followed that have educated me.
On the other hand, there sure is a lot of shite, some of which I contributed to. I am not a cyborg, hah hah.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Jan 23, 2018 - 12:57pm PT
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I really want to see this 5.11 smack talk backed up. This is a climbing site, right?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 23, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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Well God and soul is NOT believe, as they are absolute facts.
fake news, Werner.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
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I like you too, DMT. Without qualification as well. But don't ever post a video where your voice is on, unless you actually do sound just like either Jed Clampett or Andy Taylor. I just can't read your posts without hearing it in one of those voices! hahahah
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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I am a firm believer that diet and exercise as being the #1 best "Cure all"...
True dat, yo.
But...
Yer still gonna die!
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Jan 23, 2018 - 05:25pm PT
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Patrick Sawyer:
Yury, according to you, I have posted loads of unsubstantiated BS, and you.. Patrick, I apologize for my exaggeration.
Yury:
Patrick, you make so many unsubstantiated proclamations, that I do not have time to comment on all of them. I was wrong when I wrote this.
You made only a few such proclamations in that post (about Kremlin, Putin and Cold War).
I will try to be more specific next time and will try to avoid unnecessary generalization.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jan 23, 2018 - 05:27pm PT
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can't remember which pundit allowed as how the white house claim was ever so close to valid:
"the largest number of inauguration celebrants ever assembled" ... of russian assets
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Jan 23, 2018 - 06:00pm PT
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Cosmo, hang in there. You'd be better off in Canada, but I guess you gotta go with what's dealt.
I wonder if Melania knows what a huge hammer she's got. She could divorce that A-hole, get enough settlement to finance her own country, and could ghost-write a book about DT which would be off the charts. (Hey Ghost - opportunity!) She'd be wildly popular by maybe 60% of the population. And she wouldn't have to be paraded around as a trophy by a fool who is going to go down, big time. She's been awfully quiet - wonder if that has occurred to her?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 23, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
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Wa Post:
Trump asked acting FBI director whom he voted for
In an Oval Office meeting, acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe told President Trump that he didn’t vote in the election, officials said. Trump also vented his anger over donations that McCabe’s wife received for her failed 2015 Virginia state Senate bid from a PAC controlled by a friend of Hillary Clinton.
So now it's ok for a person's boss to require their employee to disclose how they voted?
And it's ok to browbeat an employee because of what their spouse (legally) does? And attempt to fire them?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 23, 2018 - 07:05pm PT
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For the GOP there is no right and wrong anymore. There is only covering for tRump, the worthless POS they helped make POTUS.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
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So now it's ok for a person's boss to require their employee to disclose how they voted?
And it's ok to browbeat an employee because of what their spouse (legally) does? And attempt to fire them?
It's none of his God damned business.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 23, 2018 - 07:16pm PT
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At twelve o'clock a meeting round the table
For a seance in the dark
With voices out of nowhere
Put on specially by the children for a lark.
Cry baby cry
Make your mother sigh
She's old enough to know better.
So cry baby cry cry cry cry baby
Make your mother sigh.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 23, 2018 - 10:52pm PT
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Sure sounds like hatred and fear of immigrants and immigration is going to keep the Repugs in there a long, long time. Of course, there's always been hatred and fear of the American negro. Combine the two hatreds and you have a sure fire way to get elected and stay in office. More social and economic change, more fear and hatred. What do you want?
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