Terrorism: Unlock the iphone when it is terrorism

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zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
Unlock, sheeeeit, in San Diego they just require folks to give up the password.


Does digital privacy extend to criminals on probation?

The moral of this story: Don't get put on probation.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jan/15/court-waiver-cellphone-passwords-search-privacy/



EDIT:

From the article.

The document distributed to San Diego judges indicates it would apply only in cases in which the defendant is also subject to a Fourth Amendment waiver, meaning that person can be stopped and searched by law enforcement at any time without a warrant. Fourth Amendment waivers are common in cases in which a defendant, who is convicted of crime, is placed on probation or mandatory supervision instead of being sent to prison.

“Even though there is a difference of opinion among opposing parties, we expect it to be clarified and decided by the appellate courts.”
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Feb 25, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
Does digital privacy extend to criminals on probation?


No. You waive constitutional rights while on probation. You do have the option to just serve your time if you don't like it.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/probation-search-conditions.html
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 25, 2016 - 10:25pm PT
The idea that their secret software would somehow fly itself to Russia or China would suggest a complete absence of basic corporate security.

Basic corporate security is probably at least as tight as government security. Right now, I'm dealing with identity theft caused by the IRS data breach. Some genius who probably bought my SSN and employment information decided he or she could file an unemployment claim under my name. The crook was apparently unaware that the EDD ( The California Employment Development Department, that is responsible for collecting the State unemployment tax from employers and distributing unemployment benefits) actually checks with the employer to make sure the person's story about why they're no longer employed checks out.

What really frosts me, however, is the rather cavalier attitude the EDD has taken in this mess. This is the second time this happened to me. I've filed police reports here and fraud reports with the EDD, and both times my employer and I both told the EDD I'm still employed, but this was the first time I ever heard anything back from them.

The only reason I got the call was that they were trying to call the crook, to tell them there was a problem with the application, and couldn't reach them on the phone number given. They called my employer to see if they had the correct number. My employer, no dummy, transferred the call to me.

I tried to get as much information as was put on the application, in the hope of giving the police here a lead on catching the thief, but the EDD wouldn't even disclose the address on the application, showing where to send my alleged unemployment benefits. Privacy concerns, they said. For a thief!

And you wonder why people don't trust the government to keep information it collects secure?

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Feb 26, 2016 - 06:06am PT
As a group, yes.

Absolutely.

Heck the feds don't even follow half the level of security they mandate to many of the financial institutions and fintech providers. Just as an example.

There is a reason banks won't turn over account lists and names to their Fed auditors. And it has nothing to do with privacy or patriotism. Its because the Feds don't protect it well.

Heck, I'd trust my data with Iron Mountain more than I trust the Feds and most IM employees are a bunch of GED mouth breathers.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 26, 2016 - 09:25am PT
And you wonder why people don't trust the government to keep information it collects secure?

Criminals are people, too! Especially in the eyes of the gubmint. You would not believe the
exchange of paperwork I had with the EDD because I overpaid on an employee's account.
Did I mention that it was for

WAIT






FOR







IT....




//less than TEN CENTS!?!?!?!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 1, 2016 - 10:46am PT
Was it Judge Judy?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 1, 2016 - 10:55am PT
It is not really unlocking the phone, it is disabling the auto destruct feature that erases all the data after 10 failed login attempts. Once that is done, the password will be found through a brute force routine that the FBI already has.

monolith

climber
state of being
Mar 4, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
San Bernardino DA says shooters iphone could harbor 'dormant cyber pathogen'

I say nuke it from space, it's the only way to be sure.

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/04/iphone-dormant-cyber-pathogen-claim-attorney/
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Mar 4, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
it's gonna be a bunch of dick pics on that phone.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 5, 2016 - 07:53am PT
Dormant-cyber-pathogens....

I'm sure.

The best these losers could do was shoot up unarmed innocent people at a work related Christmas party. Oh.... and then come back to the scene of the crime.

But in his spare time this rocket-scientist was developing super-secret cyber pathogens.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 5, 2016 - 09:06am PT
I'm with Dingus(!) But not with Dingus, who is just trolling, and doesn't care about this stuff in the first place, on this one!
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 11, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
Govt. run amuck!

The government yesterday hinted that it may demand that Apple hand over the iOS source code and the encryption key the Cupertino, Calif. company uses to sign updates if it won't comply with a court order to help authorities unlock an iPhone.


In a footnote in a Thursday brief, the Department of Justice (DOJ) said it would be happy to have Apple's source code and digital signing key.

"For the reasons discussed above, the FBI cannot itself modify the software on Farook's iPhone without access to the source code and Apple's private electronic signature," the footnote read. "The government did not seek to compel Apple to turn those over because it believed such a request would be less palatable to Apple. If Apple would prefer that course, however, that may provide an alternative that requires less labor by Apple programmers."

...

Oddly, elsewhere in the DOJ's brief, government lawyers argued that, even if the FBI had the iOS source and Apple's signing key, it would still demand that Apple cooperate further.

"Even if the Court ordered Apple to provide the government with Apple's cryptographic keys and source code, Apple itself has implied that the government could not disable the requisite features because it 'would have insufficient knowledge of Apple's software and design protocols to be effective,'" the brief stated.

A hearing on Apple's objections and the government's response is slated for March 22 before a federal magistrate.



http://www.computerworld.com/article/3043502/apple-ios/government-hints-it-may-demand-ios-source-code-signing-key.html


More relevant to the ultimate outcome of the case is the government’s targeted attack on a central legal argument made by Apple: that in order to prevent the iPhone from being erased, the court is breaking new ground by trying to force Apple to write new programs. In its March 10 filing, the government points to a 36-year-old case, “Mountain Bell”, in which a corporation was forced to “program” computers as part of government order to trace calls through a telephone facility. California’s top federal court, the 9th circuit court of appeals, sided with the government in the case. The government cites another case from New York that it says also shows corporations have previously been forced to create new programs to comply with court orders in criminal cases.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 28, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
GAME OVER!
WBraun

climber
Mar 28, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
Yeah games over!

The govt. already unlocked the so called phone and dropped its suit against Apple.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
Unlocked, my ass.

The dumbshit S.B. Sheriff Dept employee who changed the old password probably just now remembered where he wrote down the new password.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 28, 2016 - 07:30pm PT
Wbraun if you ever give me a lift in the helicopter to go climb the yosemite big wall i promise when you drop me off to give you the big fat MIDDLE Finger
As a token of my respect to you..
Lol welcome back..
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Mar 28, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
Yeah games over!

The govt. already unlocked the so called phone and dropped its suit against Apple.

...and that's the last we're likely to ever hear about it. Because there's nothing of interest on it. Duh.

Curt
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Mar 28, 2016 - 10:01pm PT
What evidence (beyond the FBI's bald assertion) is there that the gov't actually broke in?
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 21, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
Just saw the latest that the FBI paid over $1.3 million for a tool to hack the iPhone, and that the court case had "stimulated a bit of a marketplace around the work that didn't exist before then."

Kind of interesting. I guess it's perfectly legal to create (and use) a tool to overcome security and encryption systems like that, and I wonder what the market value for a tool like that is? Will the company offer it for sale to others? Other countries?

Kind of a Pandora's box for Apple? Or business as usual? It's like the government is competing with Apple and driving their costs of business up. But a self-inflicted wound given Apple's noncooperation.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 23, 2016 - 08:35am PT
NSA hacked and it's tools released to the highest bidder. This is why Apple didn't want to build the tools like this in the first place.

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/22/privacy-advocates-link-nsa-hack-apple-fight-fbi/

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