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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:26am PT
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because the catholic church has hidden so many pedophiles within their robes i am hereby offended that any catholic church is within 50 miles of a school...
sound ridiculous? it ought to sound familiar.
i was under the mistaken impression that this was america and folks could practice whatever kind of religion they wanted...
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Bertrand
climber
California
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:27am PT
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That is stupid. Hawkeye, have you even been reading the intelligent remarks made on both sides of this great discussion?
[Edit] You would have realized within seconds that religious freedom is not at issue.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:28am PT
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No, I don't agree. It's not a win/lose thing to me. Like I stated above, I've no problem with the community center being built several blocks from ground zero.
I have every confidence that some people would still whine even if the community center was built three, ten or 15 blocks away from ground zero.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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Really cool that so many wanna bring up Catholicism in this thread.
Whatever...
And callie, I love ya, and I know you have a notch of love for me, but, Madonna!!!!, you sound like a lawyer. (and you are kinda like a lawyer, so whatever).
Just sayin'. You seem unwilling to get into our death-matches. And maybe that's good, you have prolly studied legal crap for years.
But, for that reason, maybe you can chime in more. You are somewhat of an expert in a field. And that kicks asssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!
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big man
Boulder climber
Novato, CA
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:43am PT
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that is almost tantamount to resurrecting a large swastika at auschwitz.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:43am PT
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Hei!
try Googling church denied zoning permit
There are tons of instances of this happening everywhere in America.
And for every reason you can imagine
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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Really cool that so many wanna bring up Catholicism in this thread.
Even one of those daily show segments used the example
Peace
Karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 18, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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What do Catholics have to do with with domineering the globe, Jackson?
What? Catholics stopped long ago. It's the Christians and Muslims ya gotta worry about....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 01:30am PT
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Ron Says:
The radical factions of islamification see this as a VICTORY..They will generate continued interest in ther goals as well.
Interesting. Ron has now revealed himself as the spokesperson for radical Islam. I'm wondering how he knows so much about what these people think?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 01:44am PT
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Cragman wrote:
This is like building a Nazi recruiting center next door to Arlington Cemetary.
It just doesn't make any sense.
To use your analogy, these are the people who are the ANTI-NAZI recruiting people! So, to fight their efforts, is to support Nazis!
This is what you want to do? Why do you hate jews?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 01:47am PT
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Bluering says:
So we should believe them with an Imam with books with different titles based on the sub-culture he addresses? Fo real?
And here is yet another suspicious Imam like that:
http://www.wordproject.org/
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 18, 2010 - 01:52am PT
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LEB wrote:
Even money, once the mosque is built, there will be some sort of tribute - either direct or veiled - to the "brave and devoted" men who gave up their lives (i.e. 9/11) serving Allah. The only is question in my mind is whether or not it will be veiled.
So you would be opposed to a tribute to the American Muslim FDNY and Police who lost their lives attempting to save lives? We just wash them off the books? Should we deport their families? Should we revolk their citizenship postumously? Maybe they were trying to keep people in the buildings until they collapsed?
Are you opposed to a tribute to the FDNY priest who was killed in the collapse, as he served God?
Any other heresy you care to preach?
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Fig's Lady
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Aug 18, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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It seems that there are too many tangents, in a socio-politco crisis. It is too early to build a mosque. I have nothing against the freedom of religion, but there is a time and a place for tolerance and GROUND ZERO is not it.
P.S. I am sure some Muslim folk died during the building collapses.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 18, 2010 - 02:49am PT
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Hey Blew, last time I checked Catholics are Christins too.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 18, 2010 - 04:38am PT
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worst thread in memory-
the ugly, reactive, and unfortunately, the ignorant underbelly of america is laid bare.
wrap up in the colors of courage and bravery, only to be a bunch of bigots and pussies, only to disrespect the principles of the founding fathers of our country, and all to score some short term cred w/ the portion of the population that can be easily frightened and manipulated with their fear... what a joke.
nothing ever changes-
time for another hiatus from this place.
bon voyage...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 18, 2010 - 07:49am PT
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Nobody expects
the spanish inquisition...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 18, 2010 - 10:52am PT
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Yes, many Muslims lost their lives as a result of the 9/11 attack.
From the intarweb:
Muslim Victims of September 11th Attack
Thousands of innocent lives were lost on September 11, 2001, and our hearts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones. For several hundred of the victims of 9/11, grief and sorrow has been compounded by constant suspicion, bias, hatred, and attacks on the faith they hold dear.
Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Or imagine being Baraheen Ashrafi, nine months pregnant with her second child. Her husband, Mohammad Chowdhury, was a waiter at Windows of the World restaurant, on the top floors of Tower One. The morning of September 11, they prayed salaat-l-fajr (the pre-dawn prayer) together, and he went off to work. She never saw him again. Their son, Farqad, was born 48 hours after the attacks -- one of the first 9/11 orphans to be born. In an interview with CTV Canada, she relates that in the months to follow, she mourned for her husband and endured the hostility of some ignorant people around her. "When they saw me ... I'm wearing a scarf. There is a hate look."
Or consider Rahma Salie, a passenger on American Airlines #11 that crashed into the North Tower. Rahma, a Muslim of Sri Lankan origin, was traveling with her husband Michael (a convert to Islam) to attend a friend's wedding in California. Rahma was 7 months pregnant with their first child. According to the Independent UK (October 11, 2001), Rahma's name was initially put on an FBI watch list, because her "Muslim-sounding" name was on the passenger manifest, and her travel patterns were similar to those of the hijackers (she was a computer consultant living in Boston). Although her name was eventually removed from the list, several of her family members were barred from taking flights to her memorial service. Her mother, Haleema, said, "I would like everyone to know that she was a Muslim, she is a Muslim and we are victims too, of this tragic incident.”
Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:
Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.
Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 18, 2010 - 10:58am PT
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once again, i'm amazed at just how far a belief in imaginary friends has warped society on this planet...
such a shame. religion seems to keep us from becoming the gods/goddesses we are everywhere one looks...
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