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Gene
climber
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Matt,
Sorry. You have exceeded the vendetta quotient for this thread. Please try another day on another site.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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I've read every post in all of the WOS threads, and I will say without a doubt that this is my favorite...
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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I remember Robbins was asked an ethics question about climbing in the valley (back in the 80's) He basically responded to the question by saying not to ask him but ask the guys who are presently climbing and setting the standards in the valley. I find it amusing that all you guys/gals are getting bent out of shape over a route that is ancient history by a quarter of a century.
I also remember talking to J. Byer who had gone up and chopped some of the original rivets on Hardings WEML... thirty years after the first ascent!! He said he didn't like the route so he wanted to mess it up... I felt it was unethical to chop on a route that had had many ascents and a long history... we nearly came to blows there in the Mt. Room Bar. Fortunately, he was heavily intoxicated, and I was not, thus I was able to run from the room... saving my own life!
Let it go people, let it go. All you are doing is showing your asses by continuing to beat on a long dead horse, and this has gotten way too personal... bad for the climbing community and all involved, very bad.
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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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Sep 10, 2009 - 08:55am PT
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"Spray not."
Some here are worse than my unruly dogs. Fortunately, they are few enough to not detract too much from the quality of this forum.
Cheers!
Bill L
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Sep 10, 2009 - 09:00am PT
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Well, it IS the "virtual Deli"....I reckon spray is to be expected.
Spray on!
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Camster (Rhymes with Hamster)
Social climber
CO
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John M. ("Dos" when in Patagone)
I'm gonna pick on you a bit here, but you'll like it.
"Once Cameron Burns took me to a 80' spire in Colorado National Monument to do the FA. When we got there, it was blank and overhanging on all sides. Personally, I would have left it, but Cam really wanted to do it, so we bolted our way up to the top, not a climb I'm particularly proud of (though it must be said that Cam has picked a number of true classics in other places). So could this particular spire been done with less bolts? Not likely, but then the question comes, was it a reasonable and just means of ascent? In the case of WOS, that many bolts to justify a route wasn't the style at the time."
I distinctly remember your remark afterwards----even though you were dying with cat allergies and draining from the eyes and nose like a Louisiana stormpipe after Katrina : "I've now climbed in every area in [the original] Des[s]ert Rock." You were happy about that fact. With regards to the "tower," we weren't that bad. Nine holes up Balanced Rock and a 2-bolt anchor. Also, that was before BR was specifically listed as of-limits to climbers. So, it was a good moment in time and more fun than your grumpy post implies.
I'll be over to Tassie soon to sort you out, son.
Camster (rhymes with hamster and I know you know that connection)
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Flashy P
climber
Sparks, NV
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Jan 30, 2010 - 08:59pm PT
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Buddy of mine sent me this link. There are like 2 other thread with at least the same amount of postings. T's F'd U!
Wings Of Steel is one of the proudest lines in the valley, what's the bfd?
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
You wanted to!
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Jan 30, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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So you're on it, then?
Or, maybe knott, hmmmmm?
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Grossman confirmation bump?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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He's been banned.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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50/50 chance....
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Who's "BwanaDick"?
Frank Zappa.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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The report from Steve should be due any time now...this is fall right?
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dickcilley
Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
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Eric,Sometimes your imagination runs amok.Although I have been called Bwana I always post under my own name and my only interest in this fiasco is to not be included in it.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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^^OK, Dick - I will delete the post. LOL!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I missed this post before. It probably has a lot of merit.
graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere Sep 9, 2009 - 11:16am PT
Richard,
I didn't understand why Mimi and Steve Grossman just couldn't let this go either, but I think I understand better now.
It's not about hatred, but about love and loyalty. They are a couple and if you reread the WOS threads knowing this, it makes more sense. Attack one, and the other is sure to post.
Steve got so involved in this that any defense of what you and Mark did on the wall is an implicit attack on him and Mimi cannot let that go.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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I actually had a pretty clear view of the WoS slab from both Albatross and Aquarian this fall, and in spite of watching for Steve, so far as I am aware he did knott yet put in an appearance.
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Flashy P
climber
Sparks, NV
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I walked to base of Wings oSteel this summer while I was sport climbing and camping with my mom in Yosemide Valley. I think I will devote all of my time to training to repeat this feat, except in sport style. I will do the route from the top down. T hat way I will be able to see all of those chipped holds better since I'll be over them lookinmg down. I'll leave lots of chalk so you can see where the chips are all the way from Fresno. Or even Reno- the most awesome city in the world. I am there right now working on a new raw egg and spinach diet and doing jump rope slack lining and parc our. If I center my mind I can run straight up a 50 foot brick wall without touching with my hands. That requiers being dedicated to being the best parcourclimbercomper I can possible be! My mom is calling me- she made me a raw egg and cheese sandwich, and I'm eating some diferent bacteria added to it because i'm bouldering in India next week with my buddy chris and I want to have a resisteance to local fecal matter. Some shoe company is paying us!! LOLOLOL!! Wish me well and no cobras-The kindf that crawl on boulders not big cliff walls!
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