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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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well shite, no wonder you're evil!
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mcolombo
Trad climber
Heidelberg, Germany
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:45am PT
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I use to live on El Nopal(across from the Magnolia Boulders). One morning i was riding my bike, returning from the store and this F-15/16 goes sailing by just clearing the houses and crashes into the side of the hill about a block away.
About ten years later I was living a few miles away just under the flight path for planes returning to Gillespie Field. Planes would fly over about every fifeteen minutes. Got pretty use to it. One morning I heard this incredible roar, the planes at Gillepie are limited to smaller personal/commercial craft. It sounded like a jet liner was making some sort of emergency landing and I new something tragic was about to happen. It was shaking the houses and sounded like thunder.
I lept up and shot out the front door just in time to see another big navy jet come sailing directly over our house...upside down with the cockpit open and no one in it. The roar was deafening(must have had its afterburners on)and the airport was about 4-5 blocks away on the other side of a freeway and I was certain this beast wasn't going to make it(crash into houses).
As i jumped into my car, I heard a huge explosion and was expecting the worse. It turned out that it did make it to the airfield before crashing, but killed and maimed a few guys on the ground.
Rather "disturbing" event...
I saw both of those too from the other side of El Cajon, the second went right over my head. I saw the PSA flight 182 crash in North Park too.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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This thread is mis-named. It should be Born Under A Bad Sign.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
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Feb 20, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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I use to live on El Nopal... ^^^ that was me/one of my earlier posts (forgot that i posted about that).
Both jets were on auto-piolet, the piolets had ejected/bailed some moments before (didn't see them or their canopies/cutes).
The "El Nopal" crash was in the late Spring/early summer of 1979 and occured while I was visiting my parents. Evidently the piolet, before he ejected, programed it to avoid the hundreds of tract homes and go in at this hill right next to us. Extremely close call. It was a real eye opener. Fortunately no one was hurt.
The second one was in the Spring of '86, and like I said, i lived Pepper Dr. in El Cajon, which is right uner the flight path (incoming) for planes landing a Gallispie field. I was very accostomed to having various sized small private planes fly over us (about every 15 minutes) and the occassional Lear jet. But this thing sounded like some Jumbo 747 (way to large for Gillepie Field) coming in, and obviously in BIG trouble and for some reason it had to dith (or crash) in El Cajon. I mean there was this deafening roar and the whole house was shaking off of its hinges.
I ran outside and looked up jus as it was coming over the top of our house. But it wasn't a Jumbo Jet, it was a Navy F16 (or whatever). Like I said, the canopy was open with no one in it. The two pilots had gotten into trouble and bailed out over the middle of El Cajon (over 100,000 population then).
They had zeroed it in on Gelespie field, which was about 1/2 of a mile down the road. There were solid rows of houses, and a middle school where my brother was teaching at, between where I was and there. It looked as if I could almost reach up and touch it, but it was probably about 50 ft to a 75 feet above me (surreal). I new it was trying to make the airport, but I was certain that it wasn't going to make it. Just seconds later I heard this tremendous explosion. I jumped into my car and took off towards the crash. I was expecting the worse, but hoping that it at least missed the school (it went directly over it).
To my surprise it cleared all the houses and crashed into the runway and skidded into these hangers killing a couple guys and maiming others. Very tragic. One piolet landed safely, but his partner got hung up got hung up in some high wires/tower and broke his neck. He died the next day. My cousin was his nurse in the ICU at Sharpe Hospital. She came over the next day and told us about it. He was fully concious and, she, of course, spoke with him (very sad).
BORN UNDER A BAD SIGN LOL!
I have never looked at it that way. BUT, I have at times felt like I have had the "curse of Cain" put on me, lol. After he killed his brother Abel, he was made to roam the earth, and God put a mark on him that warned everyone who he was and that whomever killed him would have 10 fold the bad sh#t happen to them that happened to Cain (to paraphrase it). Or, like God told Satan (in regards to Job) you can do anything you wish to him, but you can't take his life (YIKES). Or perhaps a mix of the two (sorta) but an individual uniqueness to it.
Just kidding of course (but not entirely, b'cuz i haven't shared even a 1/4 of the crazy things I've experienced).
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Feb 20, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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So, another disturbing thing I've only been second hand witness to, is the phenomena that inspired the billion rising event the other day. One out of three women have or will be raped or severely beaten in their lifetime. That is staggering! almost impossible to comprehend! I known now and have know women who have been raped and some, fewer, that have been severely beaten. But if that is the statistic, I know a lot more of both than I think. And so do you!
That, is truly disturbing!
If one in three women are the victims, what is the rate out of the total population, of the perpetrators? We must all know them as well! That's disturbing in it's own way.
Thank you for this. I spend a lot of time helping women vets who have been assaulted and sometimes their stories just totally break my heart. As a woman who has experienced it personally, I feel I need to be open with my story so that maybe someone can feel comfortable asking for help. It's very difficult sometimes but It's worth it. The Megan's Law website is REALLY disturbing, especially since they can only list the convicted people. Misogyny is so subtlety pervasive in our society. Sometimes I just stand in shock upon hearing some things that come out of peoples mouths, especially when its a woman.
Also, when I see a parent screaming in anger at their kid pisses me the fu.ck off. I have been known to approach these people and tell them exactly my opinion.
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ruppell
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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splitter
Your right I don't know you. I'm sure if we met we'd get along. That vid wasn't meant as an attack on you for your actions. It was more food for thought. Plus I happen to really like that movie. As far as me having no idea how hot the inside of a burning structure is that's not true. You don't know me either so there is no way you could have known that I spent 7 years as a municipal firefighter. I've been in more than a few structure fires. I know EXACTLY how hot it was in there. Going in the way you did is commendable. I'd like to think that most people would have done the same as you but I honestly don't know if that's true. Putting yourself in harms way on purpose just isn't the way most people are wired. Every time I did my job it was with training and protective gear.
The Dept that I worked for had a policy of no entry without a hose line first. Firefighter safety is the first priority or at least it's supposed to be. So we roll up on a working structure fire. Three of us are on the engine. When we get there the father comes up and says his middle son is missing. Three people isn't enough to pull a line and do a primary search. The next truck is still four minutes out. My buddy and I made the decision to break protocol in less then a second. We ask the father where the kids room is and he says second floor.
So we enter the building and start the search. It's a two story house and the fire started on the first floor in the living room. The heat is intense and the fire is already working it's way up the stairs. I look at my buddy and signal that we need to get up there now. We both know on our way up that by the time we finish the search the stairs will be fully engulfed and are primary exit will be cut off. We head up.
We do start the search and don't find anything. It's these moments that you always second guess yourself. Maybe we missed him. We search again. Now the fire is fully rolling. We start to make are way down the hallway that is over the living room. The floor is saggy and feels like it could go at any minute. Pushing on as fast as we can we complete the secondary search and still nothing. We only have about five minutes of air left before our tanks are empty. All the second floor starts to flash over. We haul ass over to the opposite side of the second floor and close the door.
By this time the second engine has arrived and the rest of our guys are pulling a hose line into the house. They start suppression efforts from below which pushes a ton of heat up to us. Even with the door closed it's surreal. We break a window and radio for a ladder so we can get out of there before the whole floor goes up. A few minutes later the ladder is in place and we are headed down. Neither of us has any air left and both of us feel like we've failed. We don't say anything as we look at each other. We don't have to.
When we get back out front the dad comes up to us. He found his son. Junior had snuck out of the house to go see some friends. It's a strange feeling to wanna kill someone you where just trying to save. We both headed over for some water and to swap out our tanks. Just then our battalion chief comes up to us.
"You guys know you broke protocol, right?" He says.
We both nod.
"You guys know I'll have to write this up, right?" He says.
We both nod again.
"You guys know that there is no one I would have rather had on the first arriving engine, right?" and with that he pats us both on the back.
So, if this story has a moral, it's sometimes you have to do the wrong thing to do the right thing.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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I fell about thirty feet straight to the ground and directly on my feet. My left leg absorbed the bulk of the impact and when I rolled up and looked down I saw a fist-sized hole in my shin, my tibia sticking out and bone chips all around. I laid back and thought, "This is gonna be a long one."
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Feb 20, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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"This is gonna be a long one."
Nice punn Stonemaster
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
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Feb 21, 2013 - 12:36am PT
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Rupple,
That vid wasn't meant as an attack on you for your actions. It was more food for thought. Plus I really like that movie. Oh! Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Actually, I didn't even watch the vid, I just related to the title, "Fear the indiference of good men.", and the cover picture on it looks like the Pope or somebody giving a lecture on indiference/apathy/cowardly actions, etc, and I thought, "Woe, dood (rupple) is really sticking it to me."! I was already feeling guilty enough (in regards to not doing the right thing/following through). SO, i just skipped watching it. Still not sure what it's about, but I will watch it now (you piqued my curiosity).
Your right, I don't know you... You don't know me either... Wow, awesome story, bro! I meant to add that I had a much greater appreciation for firefighters after that evening...that would be one tuff job to go to day after day. And, WAY bold decision, on the part of you and your buddy that day. Especially since you new "EXACTLY" what kind of a situation you were getting yourselves into. Glad to here it had a happy ending.
If this story has a moral, sometimes you have to do the wrong thing to do the right thing. So true! Particularly when it's not selfserving and, in fact, may end up costing you dearly. "Greater love has no one than this..." comes to mind!
BTW, now we "know" each other a little better, eh? One of the better aspects/occasional outcomes of ST. Thanks for getting back to me & relating/sharing your remarkable story!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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New adventures in stalkerdom, blocked phone number addition.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 23, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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On Tuesday i had to catheterize myself. You look at the catheter and then you look at your member and you go....oh my God!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 23, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
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Jim,
I have a friend who has to have shunts or something installed into his kidney every couple of years. So you get used to it, I guess.
OK. I haven't read the whole thread, so I am going back to disturbing events.
I was in my office 20 miles away when this happened, but my wife was in the playground at our son's daycare when Tim McVeigh's bomb went off. They were outside and 9 blocks away. It blew out a lot of windows that were facing that direction, so it was good that they were outside.
So they come home and Sam, who was 3 or so, just said, I heard a really loud BOOM!
My wife said it was incredibly loud and sharp. The whole city thought it was surely a leak from a gas line or something. Ten minutes later I got a call from a friend and went home to see the carnage.
That was a bad one.
Tim McVeigh was not from Oklahoma. They built the bomb in Kansas. He was from Michigan and was what we would now call a tea party type. He was a gun nut who hated the federal government. Too bad he was executed. I think that they should have water boarded the bastard because it is physically impossible to grind and mix that ANFO in one day. He had help.
The bombing touched a lot of lives. My landlord was across the street taking a dump when it went off and was injured when the ceiling collapsed on him. A really close friend just missed an appt. with some people in the building, people she knew very well, and they were on the 2nd floor facing the bomb. All dead. The whole city was in tears while the AM radio f*#k wads were blaming the deaths of the children on the government.
I believe that to this day, there are body parts that don't match with anyone known. Perhaps it was a street person with no real contacts.
I had to go up there 2 days later, when they had moved the barricades back from the main downtown buildings 5 blocks to the south. The streets were covered with broken glass. In the gutters the glass was several inches deep. It blew out a lot of windows in the skyscraper windows which faced the bomb.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jun 26, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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OK this was several years ago. I was driving from Park City to Salt Lake on I-80. Traffic was stalled at the base of the Parley's right about Mountain Dell due to some debris in the road. I'm sitting in my car at the back of the pack when I see a semi coming full bore down the hill in my rear view. I can see the driver doing everything in his power to slow down but to no avail. I look out the passenger window just as he plowed into the back of the semi sitting two lanes to my right. I remember the expression on his face, the panic, the futility and the sound. I'll never forget that day, the day I saw the last seconds on this dudes life just flash into nothingness.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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Anybody else have a cyber stalker? I've got one that reports to others everything I say online; here, Facebook, you name it! So of course I plant some good ones.
The dude sent me over 200 texts in a one hour period after midnight not long ago. I had my phone on vibrate. After a while it was Like counting sheep. I fell asleep before he finished sending. Doesn't he know stuff like that leaves a traceable record?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jun 28, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
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Why do you have a cyber stalker. . . ?
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jun 28, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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Jaybro is it the same one as before, regarding you know who?
I say out the bastard and that should shut him up.
The internets never forgives or forgets.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jun 28, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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I had one once (cyber stalker)...
You can have fun and reverse the table on them. Start posting in various nefarious forums and type their email address in the post. Sign up their email address for all sorts of sh!t.
If they've gone to stage 2 (phone/text) then their phone number can be written down on bathroom walls with the appropriate verbiage ;)
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Jun 28, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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Jaybro, that's a total drag...
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