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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 24, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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...to those that haven't obeyed that form of doctrine, our who are not "saved", or, "born again,"
John 8:42-47 KJV
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
Revelation 20:15 KJV
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 24, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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When you say God did it, how would you know?
Because of the "fruit" it produces, the result, the outcome. The product of an apple tree is an apple, a peach, a peach, etc.
Galatians 5:22-24 KJV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Through the use of God's Word Hubert Lindsey produced lasting fruit:
" Luke 15:7 KJV
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2012 - 11:38am PT
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go-B and Truthdweller,
Way to hang in there.
go-B,
Thanks I needed to read and hear this . . .
Psalm 24
The King of Glory Entering Zion.
A Psalm of David.
1 The earth is the LORD’S, and all it contains,
The world, and those who dwell in it.
2 For He has founded it upon the seas
And established it upon the rivers.
3 Who may ascend into the hill of the LORD?
And who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to falsehood
And has not sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive a blessing from the LORD
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face—even Jacob.
Selah.
:-))
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 24, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
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Klimmer,
Just responding with God's Word makes it all worth it, the joy and peace it brings is unfounded, nothing in my life comes close, Climbing became an addiction, a good addiction, if there is such a thing, but it didn't change my life the way God's Word has. Climbing isn't the truth, and it won't make you free from the bondage of sin. Jesus Christ is the Truth, and the Truth made me free, glory to God!
Although the minority, more peoples hearts will be pricked and will make the same decision that you and I did, as well as GoB, and others, and their lives, too, will be changed forever.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 24, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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Sorry TruthDwelling Man, but I'm gonna have to walk away now. I've got a bible and can read it myself without you indexing it for me.
As Hubert and I both said "bless your wicked heart".
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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KING of Kings: Every Knee Will Bow, Every Tongue Confess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIlXWOnbTlM
"Every Knee Will Bow, Every Tongue Confess: Isaiah 45:23 and Philippians 2:9-11"
Even Alex will bow and confess. We all will.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Alex, guess who gave you that incredible talent and confidence?
You might want to thank him for it.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 24, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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I still don't get how quoting the book of "god" makes "god" real.
Can you quote something else? Maybe factual evidence of GOD?
I don't care about the people who wrote the book. They've had to exist at some point.
Find me physical signs of god. And don't say fruit, or any other physical object that science can explain.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 24, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Alex, guess who gave you that incredible talent and confidence?
I'd imagine the skill came from climbing for hours non stop. His tendons being as strong as a bulldozer.
His mind? Confidence. But i'm sure you have an excuse for how God gave him that...
If God gave it to him, why not you? Are you not chosen? Why aren't you special? Go free solo Half Dome RNW to prove your god exists.
Sometimes it comes in the shape of a pill. You're telling me God made Viagra and gave the power for crusty old men like yourself to erect and last for s long, pleasurable time? Or was that science... No, science doesn't exist.
Did God make the terrorists of 9/11 kill 3000 people? (They claim he did)
Did God cause the Tsunami in Japan that killed 15,000 people?
Did God create Cancer, AIDS, etc?
Maybe you believe in God because "he" fears you into believing him?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Mar 24, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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Find me physical signs of god.
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When a DVD of Baby Jesus is not forthcoming, these conversations usually end. It is easy to see why.
What's perhaps more interesting is the question/thought experiment: Is it possible for you to imagine that you could be shown or might come to directly experience "proof" sufficient to answer your request. And if so, how might that alter your view or yourself and the universe?
JL
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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Mar 24, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
"Alex, guess who gave you that incredible talent and confidence?"
I'd imagine the skill came from climbing for hours non stop. His tendons being as strong as a bulldozer.
His mind? Confidence. But i'm sure you have an excuse for how God gave him that...
If God gave it to him, why not you? Are you not chosen? Why aren't you special? Go free solo Half Dome RNW to prove your god exists.
Sometimes it comes in the shape of a pill. You're telling me God made Viagra and gave the power for crusty old men like yourself to erect and last for s long, pleasurable time? Or was that science... No, science doesn't exist.
Did God make the terrorists of 9/11 kill 3000 people? (They claim he did)
Did God cause the Tsunami in Japan that killed 15,000 people?
Did God create Cancer, AIDS, etc?
Maybe you believe in God because "he" fears you into believing him?
That which is good is of GOD.
That which is bad is not.
There is a god of this World that does incredible evil to try to hurt the real true GOD and to try to destroy mankind, that he loves so much. Yes, Lucifer and the fallen angels have some limited powers and can even guide man-made events, as well as natural events on this Earth to some extent.
Read the Book of Job in the Bible. The curtain is pulled back for a moment for us to see what can spiritually take place in the background.
This world suffers from the wrath of Lucifer. "Misery loves company" as they say. He and his angels are already judged and doomed. They want to take as many humans down with them as they can. It will get worse before it gets better. This is the only way they can hurt GOD, and it does hurt GOD. One day it will get better. GOD triumphs and brings an end to Lucifer's reign. I look forward to that day, very longfully and hopefully.
Our good and wonderful inherited abilities and talents all come ultimately from GOD. He made everything, but he also gave us free will to do what we will. Some use these talents and abilites for good, some don't.
Alex's abilites and talents are inspirational. They are good. But he should give credit where credit is due.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 24, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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That which is good is of GOD.
That which is bad is not.
You do realize that this book is just making it sound like everything good that happens is because of god, but everything that's bad is happening because of the devil, right?
Pop out of fantasy world and tell me how you can believe this stuff please.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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There are many empirical evidences and "proofs" that weigh in the favor of GOD's existance and what he has said is wholly true in The Holy Bible.
He also came down in person and lived among us and showed us the way. And then at the end of that Earthly life he also laid down his life for us. He loves us that much. Death has no hold on him. He has concured and has power over death and therefore has given us salvation and hope.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 24, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Mar 24, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
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Michaeld....proof...well that is a definite tall order especially when people are skeptical and need rock hard proof of something before they believe it to be possible. This is my down and dirty stab at it. When one soldier survives and the rest of his squad is killed or severely injured. He or she will eventually ask "why them and not me" Some would say to them "wow your are lucky" or "count your lucky stars it was not you". However have you ever tried to wrap your head around that concept. What is luck? How do I find it...can I get more of it. Does it really even exist, can science prove that the concept of luck is available to anyone. At least with ones belief in God...not the religion part.. just God one can at least have some faith/belief in there might be another purpose for their lives as to the reason they survived. For me I prefer idea that there is a plan for my life, I am not just here out of some lucky "big bang", and I know that my life does have purpose.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Mar 24, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
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^^^
Yes, quite ironic that the Godiots would have us believe that for which there is absolutely zero evidence, and disbelieve the scientific theories which have massive amounts of evidence supporting them.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Mar 24, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Jebus...I once heard a statement that strikes a cord with me. The church...just the original concept.. was perfect until man walked in.
edit.. Lennox...really...show me the formula for luck....and that was a bs comment asswipe...like being labeled...and yes I am can get pissed. Back up your spew!
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Mar 24, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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"luck is probability taken personally"
--Penn Jillette
edit-- There ain't no such thing as luck, just like there is no god, so there is no way to provide scientific evidence-- and btw, speaking of spew, isn't a luggi something you cough up and spit out?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Mar 24, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
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@luggi
"I hear crickets."
-Isn't that how you said it once...
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If someone's interested in climbing (nowadays), a beginner that is, you might encourage them to take a climbing class or two or go outdoors, spend some time in the hills, and get some experience. It'd just be common sense.
But how does one (politely) tell somebody in today's politically correct society to take some science courses to learn how the world works or to acquire a science education?
If only one could test science education on the rocks we'd have a lot of posters on this thread either decking off of 5.5 or failing to pull it. It's a shame they don't know this before posting their opines.
Truly, it's rather discouraging. But full steam ahead anyways.
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"it's a system that for centuries was comfortable with zero accountability"
Today's religions are historical institutions that are now learning lightning fast that the world is no longer comfortable with their being "comfortable with zero accountability." Finally at long last, in unprecedented measure, informed communities are holding their feet to the fire. (Not just regarding pedophilia, either.) In the interest of better practices.
I count this as a +1.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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Mar 24, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
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You quote a magician and a juglar that made into showtime. Nice for the scientific community to buy into your post. Say what you will about my avatar...in the big scheme of things...shalom
HFCS..you are right...crickets...but science has not proven everything...they and even doctors cannot explain all that happens around us or to us. There is crap that happens to us that has no explanation. So how do scientists explain things that have no explanation scientifically.
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