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Gene
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Jul 28, 2011 - 06:32pm PT
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Granite climber is correct: no client==no lawyer.
Chicken or the egg? I'd bet lawyers contacted the families before the families contacted lawyers. Only a guess.
Regardless (or irregardless if you prefer), any lawsuit will go nowhere.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 28, 2011 - 06:35pm PT
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If you don't like lawsuits like this, register to vote. Courts often use voter registration records in sending out jury summons. Then go in when you are called for jury duty. And don't try to get out of serving on the jury.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jul 28, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
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Regardless (or irregardless if you prefer), any lawsuit will go nowhere.
yep got to agree
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Jul 28, 2011 - 07:10pm PT
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If they are going to carry more pipe up there why not buy some extra and
put another lane on the Half Dome Cables and get rid of the onerous permits.
Seems if they can figure out how to finesse the exemptions to the wilderness
act ie undeveloped Federal land retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent improvements...etc etc ... altering the human constructions at Vernal Falls -the railing is an improvement- they can follow the same formula and put a 2nd lane on the Half Dome cables.
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squishy
Mountain climber
sacramento
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Jul 28, 2011 - 07:12pm PT
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Stop all the railings and improvements!!! if I have to leave no trace so should the park system. There's already an abandoned railing up above that area from a trail shut down like 50 years ago. It's just creating litter! like those damn bodies down river.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jul 28, 2011 - 07:15pm PT
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they should put the original hotel back.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Jul 28, 2011 - 08:10pm PT
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I'll STILL go over the rail. And live, too.
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Rick Vena
Trad climber
Ca Bay Area
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Jul 28, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
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Irrefutable fact;
No client=no law suit
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jul 28, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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I feel sorry for the family, but I wouldn't feel sorry for the heartless as#@&%es posting their vile comments on this site.
Every single one of you self-righteous sanctimonius pricks has gone over a fence or something similar if you've actually done any adventuring. I can see why FatTurd, chronic liar and armchair adventurer spouts the hateful sh#t he does, I'm sure his version of the outdoors is between the door of his house and his car.
The rest of you f*#ks deserve to lose a family member tomorrow just to get a taste of what that family is going through.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 28, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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The report is out and it recommends that all park viewing areas be redesigned to meet the specifications in the picture. Similar fencing should be put in along both sides of the Merced River for the entire length of the river.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 28, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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GC-
That will only slow them down a few minutes.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 29, 2011 - 11:36am PT
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These emotional straw man arguements here read exactly the same to me as shouting Darwin.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 29, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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nick d,
you think I haven't lost people close to me in sudden pointless accidents?
What the families are doing affects us as climbers.
granite,
$.75M
I stand corrected.
(interesting note; I spoke to the lawyers at the time. Years earlier when KK and I first descended Kolob Creek we had stood at the same rap point and, looking at the water, decided to rap in from another point.
The lawyers asked why.
I said, "Well it is just common sense. It looked too committing and dangerous. You could drown."
Their faces dropped.
They then sent me a letter saying I was their consultant, and that I couldn't talk to the park service about it.
That's funny; the park service wanting to talk to me!)
cleo,
the park didn't release the water.
They claimed they should have been told the blatantly obvious. They could SEE the water was much higher.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 31, 2011 - 08:36pm PT
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granite,
$.75M
I stand corrected.
No, you were already correct. The $.75M was just from the water district. They got well over a million from the park service in addition to that.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...a certified behavior analyst...
Don't let one of those anywhere near Camp 4 or climbing will be shut down the next day.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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squishy said:
hell no, if people like that are not met with swift reactions of realism then the audience will believe some of the sh#t they are saying, this is how fox news works, you have to assume someone out there is stupid enough to believe everything they read, comments containing some reason need to be written on those articles, hopefully enough for the media to report the other side of this story, if the media is going to give this family a voice then it should give the park, the other visitors and everyone else a voice as well, and everyone else thinks those people were foolish and, it's a teachable moment being turned into a new fence instead of anyone learning a thing...
Actually, YOU are the teachable moment. You appear to have no experience with grieving families. Your approach is the type that will actually backfire. Unlike the situation where you post under a pseudonym, when someone's relative is the subject of attack, then the wagons are circled, and it is not unusual for someone to spend every penny to attempt to clear them. Much better to express sympathy, let the facts speak for themselves, let the consultants say what they will, let it all fall on deaf ears, let it all fade away. Let the door being pushed upon give no resistance.
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Guernica
climber
the second star to the right
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Sage counsel, Ken.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nick d....your first sentence....then you go and post YOUR vile comments for everyone to read. Now yer just part of the club!
Peace
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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nick d.....I've been up there many a time and NEVER go over the barriers. Why? Because they are there for a reason and I know the pools before the falls have pulls underneath that can carry you over the side. Thus, the signs warn of.
Was this tragic? Yes. Was this preventable. 100 pct yes. Those folks did not need to die in this way if they paid attention to the warnings.
And ps while you're on an accusation rant...I've been up there with my folks and they never EVER wanted to go over those railings. They were just happy to see the falls and take a picture and not get to close to the roiling. Not everyone does stupid things. So no, I won't be losing a family member up there as you suggest will happen to us all.
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