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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
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Aug 31, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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Bullets are only lethal if they hit you in certain spots...
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 31, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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Beyond comical that the conservatives fall all over each other in their rush to line up behind authoritarianism, all the while ranting about liberty and tyranny, without the slightest sense of irony.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
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Fatty, of course they do (carry them)
I'm with DMT on this; same consequnces as using a gun. Be glad they don't give cops throwing knves.....
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
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Beyond comical that the conservatives fall all over each other in their rush to line up behind authoritarianism, all the while ranting about liberty and tyranny, without the slightest sense of irony.
Great post.
Liberty- it's not about civil rights, it's about not paying taxes!!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:05pm PT
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Better start tazing all the jaywalkers...after all, by nature they're fleeing the scene of the crime.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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I wish I could buy tazing tags for litterbugs, especially people that toss cigarette butts. There should be a dedicated switch for them that gives a few extra jolts.
And we should be able to wear camo and lure them in with the smell of bacon.
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Gregg Olson
Boulder climber
Moorpark, Ca
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
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FatRad,
Just for the record. Within seconds after I had put in my first post above that included the line " you must be a good christian also " I decided to cut that bit out thinking that perhaps a new thread would be in order on that one. Not because I did not want to insult you. What are doing ?... hovering over this crap !! LOL. Oh and for the record it has been my personal experience that "some" practitioners of "most" kinds of "organized" religions are narrow minded self righteous, hypocritical, none thinking people that cant see the forest through the trees and can stand fast on a point of view, no matter how absurd it might be. Most Republicans have the same issue. Most republicans are "good christians" and some of your posts exhibit that mentality so I made the guess that you were a "good christian". But alas... You are a good Jewish man.... and to think that I thought you were the "Evil One".
Thanks for posting the Chris Rock link though... That was classic !!
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Gregg Olson
Boulder climber
Moorpark, Ca
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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Ok.. but your still a Republican...I rest my case.
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BASE
Big Wall climber
Cali
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
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There IS video and witnesses of this account regarding the conduct and interaction with the rangers. The truth will come out in court. The New York Times will be writing an article about this situation and other past incidences of abuse from Yosemite rangers.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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I hope that's the case, but with a name of just BASE and no BASE number I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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404 posts and not a single fact offered as to what happened. We don't have Ammon's version, or the officers. Why guess?
Because there are no facts, it is impossible to tell if the officers use of force was reasonable, or if the use of the taser was excessive force.
Its really that simple.
If Ammon was tasered just for BASE jumping, the use of force is excessive. If he resisted arrest the Taser use would be lawful to gain compliance, and overcome resistance.
Surely there is video of the incident. Anyone have any facts?
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:33pm PT
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So when is the trial and are we all going to Fresno to watch?
Don't know if the Fed Court in Yose can handle this one.
Get our curiosity fix.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:34pm PT
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It is obvious that Ammon did a crime and will now have to do the time.
Wonder if he will MAN up??
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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Now the question is did the ranger do something wrong?
Will he take his punishment and MAN up?
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:37pm PT
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These will be separate cases.
One will not be dropped because of the other.
They will both have to face the music.
90% of more cases are handled without a trial or a big to do.
I bet that this one will not be as big as some of you want it to and we will never find out the WHOLE story.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
OR
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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"Facts" are :
LEO propositions Ammon. Ammon says not interested in Smokey The Bear Style. ZAP!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
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I have no information on the event and won't comment. I will say that the mentality that I'll do something that is illegal because it should be legal may not be the best way to change policy, especially with the NPS.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:45pm PT
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DMT, agreed, running away is not cause to be "shot", but under current federal and state law, it is a cause to be tasered. Thats cause use of a taser is not considered a use of deadly force. (Don't blame me, I am not a federal judge).
Facts I want to know:
Did the officer warn Ammon prior to the use of the taser that it would be used if he did not comply with officers commands?
Was there a struggle to get him cuffed?
I have never seen a case where the suspect was silently running away, and officers, with no warnings, used a taser to stop him from running.
The tough part of Ammon's case, if he chooses to go all the way with it, is that he has to clear himself of the criminal charges, prior to a court hearing the excesive force part. If he is convicted of resisting arrest, the conviction bars him from claiming excessive force. He could plead to the BASE jumping charge and still persue the civil rights violation, but a US attorney would have to offer that deal, which is unlikely if they know he wants to pursue a civil action.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
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PitonRon: I wish I could buy tazing tags for litterbugs, especially people that toss cigarette butts. Second that - and I would add graffiti painters and other such scum to the list. And would happily taser them myself.
There's a saying amongst criminals: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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