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C4/1971
Trad climber
Depends on the day...
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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ahhhh Werner...
and on another front, the bid goes on.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:25am PT
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Werner,
Whilst I have the utmost admiration for both your climbing and rescue career, and indeed would be nothing but reassured should you be my rescuer; the majority of your internet utterances are at best obtuse and usually loopy. But then I'm definitely not in the same universe that you inhabit so perhaps should view them in that light.
Suitcase Nukes are so 1980s. Then every terrorist group had one, or wanted one.
So prolific were they that Chuck Norris was used to recover them from nasty Arab terrorists. There's loads of those movies on TV, so it must be real.
But we are digressing from the main thrust of the last few posts. My view is that for many US residents the ability to look at relative risk is severely compromised.
When I come to the US the threat of terrorism is the last thing on my mind, if at all and I can't understand why so many folks get fixated by it.
I'll let Werner have the last word. I can't wait....
Peace,
Steve
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:28am PT
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The communists are coming. We must invade some small southeastern Asian countries to "save them".
The terrorists are coming. We must massively invade the ME more than we already have and kill/destroy some very bad guys over there.
"ISIS" magically appears out of the sand with billions of dollars and simultaneously attacks every major world power (except Israel).
Does that make sense? Anyone?
Always ask who benefits.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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I think Apple's concern is legitimate. The software needed for them to "unlock" the iPhone in question does not exist and would need to be developed--according to Apple. Once this code exists, it could fall into the wrong hands, via hacking or other means--providing the universal "back door" access to all iPhones that is feared.
Another thing to consider (just my opinion) is that these San Bernadino shooters seemed fairly organized and thoughtful about their crime. They destroyed the hard drives on their computers and other cellphones. This was a work cellphone, and the fact it was not destroyed most likely means there is nothing of interest on it.
Curt
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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This case must be about setting precedent.
Does anyone really think a couple of nut jobs acting alone in SoCal with likely some workplace grievance are really well connected to a global jihadist movement? If they were well supported and smart they could have killed a lot more people. There were more casualties in sandy hook from one deranged teenager.
Is there really anything of high value on that phone that justifies creating a backdoor that sacrifices privacy for all of us? No, it's about seeing how much power the government has to access our information.
I don't think the government has any nefarious purpose, I think they do want to get the bad guys, but as mentioned this backdoor will likely leak and bad guys will get it.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:50am PT
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No, it's about seeing how much power the government has to access our information.
And there it is.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:57am PT
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One's fear of terrorists is in direct relationship to the amount of mass media news they consume without bothering to think about the ingredients it contains.
It's similar to what I encounter whenever I hitchhike from the cliffs to town at the Gunks. Used to do it 3-4 times week before I had a car and nowadays I still do it once or twice a month when low on funds and don't want to run out of gas before getting some more.
Now, I have never encountered anyone in all these rides that had me the slightest bit worried for my safety. The "worse" was the guy whose business was "private funding" who was offended when I said "Oh, like a loan shark?" He then went on to explain how it works and gave an example of a woman who inherited a nice home but wanted to sell it. The condition was not great and she would get a much better price with a little remodeling work, but she had no credit, and so she came to this guy. He made it seem like a no brainer, but the collateral was the mortgage on the house! But, no loan shark, he!
Anyway - so many of these people expressed horror at the idea I would hitchhike, and fear about picking me up. Had I been a guy, I was often told, they wouldn't have dared.
So many people, so sure that every hitchhiker is a bad person - all because the media says so.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 11:06am PT
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Blackley,
When I come to the US the threat of terrorism is the last thing on my mind, if at all and I can't understand why so many folks get fixated by it.
and paraphrasing you: in brackets are mine
When I come to the US the threat of [loss of privacy] is the last thing on my mind, if at all and I can't understand why so many folks get fixated by it.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 23, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Suitcase nukes, tactical nukes, and artillery nukes are all being used right now and in the past.
Terrorists all have them .....
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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^^^^^^^^^^
I rest my case......... :-O
Steve
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Feb 23, 2016 - 11:45am PT
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I think I could be more supportive of Apple, if this didn't fit a larger pattern of anti-USism, outsourcing jobs to other countries etc.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 23, 2016 - 12:00pm PT
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I was just chatting with someone I know who is on he high end of internet security. He says that Apple just released the info that the FBI has hit them with about a dozen similar requests, all of which they are protesting. He says that hacking one phone is doable, and not the issue here. The FBI is looking for precedent to be able to access encrypted information on a larger scale.
If what he tells me is true, and I believe it is, we had better hope that Apple prevails.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 23, 2016 - 12:02pm PT
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It turns out, as the Justice Department acknowledged in its court filing, that the
passcode of shooter Syed Farook’s iCloud account had been reset by the San Bernardino
County Department of Public Health, “in an attempt to gain access to some information
in the hours after the attack… but that had the effect of eliminating the possibility
of an auto-backup.” A federal official familiar with the investigation confirmed
that investigators were indeed in possession of the phone when the reset occurred.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 12:19pm PT
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Mono,
Gates said that the ongoing Apple case will be decided by the legal system, not in the court of public opinion — and that larger issues of tech and national security need to be addressed by lawmakers after debate.
"The courts are going to decide this, and I think Apple said that whatever the final court decision is, they'll abide by," Gates said on Bloomberg TV on Tuesday. "In the meantime, that gives us this opportunity to get the discussion — and these issues will be decided in Congress."
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/apple-fbi-feud-bill-gates-seeks-middle-ground-tech-dispute-n524261
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 23, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
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That's what Cook says as well, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
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Mono,
your source says Gates was disappointed but my source of the same story? does not mention that Gate was disappointed. Just a chance to compare different reports. And maybe one story or the other story was a little out of context? It is hard to tell from the way they present the quotes.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
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DMT,
But the FBI is scary!
Hmm? Just how out of bounds are they? Are there a lot of innocent people shot, searched, arrested, questioned??
It sounds like you live in Fear?
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Feb 23, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
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Well Apple should be scared. The Feds have all kinds of artillery that any multinational should be worried by. They've been allowing a far more liberal interpretation of "Money Laundering" for starters. I've never read the Patriot Act in it's fullness either. Guessing we'll soon see what they carry in the way of Lawyers.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 23, 2016 - 02:15pm PT
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your source says Gates was disappointed but my source of the same story? does not mention that Gate was disappointed. Just a chance to compare different reports. And maybe one story or the other story was a little out of context? It is hard to tell from the way they present the quotes.
It's not hard to tell. The Bloomberg interview has audio of him saying he was misrepresented by the media reports that came out early this morning.
Your source represents the media reports Gates says misrepresented him. It came well before the Bloomberg interview.
You got some logical cognitive issues going on there, Dingus.
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