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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Only a fool believes a 757 caused this damage.
You think there should be more or less?
I guess you think the wings should have hit those wire spools?
Guess again.
ps
read up on inertia yet?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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OK, where did the wings hit if they didn't hit the building or the ground?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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You are showing the right wing tip hit in your photo.
Did you think the tips should have demolished the reinforced concrete?
You can match up your pic with this composite.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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some of my early work
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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OK, if you're gonna be reasonable here goes. The parking lot vid clearly
shows the plane hitting the building with at least 3' of ground clearance
so there wouldn't be any marks on the grass, especially from "engine thrust".
The outer 1/3 of a plane's wings are basically some sheets of very thin
aluminum over a few bits of structural steel and those bits aren't going to
have much effect on a massive masonry building like the Pentagon. As they
get sheared off they are going to be dragged into the main entry hole because
that's the way it works. There have been lots of studies on this and that
is just the way it is, mkay? The wings fold back easily enough but they're
still stuck on pretty well so they just go along for the rest of the ride.
It ain't rocket science.
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And for what it's worth the sicko who flew into the Pentagon was the best
of a bad bunch. I thank God that the other idiots didn't have a brain
between them or they would have slowed down and crashed into the lower parts
of the WTC and prevented anybody from escaping.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile
He's referring to the exit hole left by an engine or landing gear, not the entrance hole.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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If the wings got dragged into the hole, then where are they?
First I hear that they vaporized, then I hear that they got dragged into the hole. The plane simultaneously cannot vaporize and punch through 32' of reinforced concrete.
Stir up that KoolAide, your mouth is getting dry.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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He's referring to the exit hole left by the engine or landing gear, not the entrance hole.
And you know what he's referring to how? Honestly, this makes you look a fool.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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What happens to aluminum in a fire?
And yep, how could he be referring to the hole in the front of the pentagon. There are hundreds of photos of this hole. Does not look at all like a possible missile circular hole above.
How could a 140 foot narrow rectangular hole with bent in columns in the front look like a missile strike?
And how could a missile explode creating the 140 foot hole, then proceed and create the exit hole deep inside the pentagon?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dood, aluminum burns very nicely and completely. Put a half cup of gas in
an empty soda can and light it. And don't forget to toss it in yer
neighbor's yard.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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cool. It vaporized.
Then explain the holes through 32' of reinforced concrete.
You cannot have it both ways.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dood, aluminum burns very nicely and completely.
Back in the dark ages I worked on a fire crew up in central BC. We got called to a smoke one day that turned out to be a logging truck. The driver hadn't bothered to check his brakes at the top of a long hill. Fortunately for him, he saw some sign of what was going on, got the thing stopped and ran for it before the tanks went up.
We got there in time to see... Not a whole lot of anything. Surprised the hell out of me to discover that metal can be consumed pretty much totally if the fire is hot enough.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Engines, landing gear, plus the mass behind the nose to tail. Massive objects moving at 500 mph, K-Man.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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K-man, my last effort at being polite: the inner 2/3 of a wing has more
than a few bits of structural steel and the fuselage has quite a few. Add
'em up and you've got 120 TONS moving at a high rate of speed.
That's a damn big bullet that's gonna go through a whole lot of anything.
Don't forget the 8-10,000 gallons of fuel although that is included in MTOW (Max Takeoff Weight).
I told you on the last page to read up on inertia.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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The pentagon is under attack.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Inertia: the resistance an object has to a change its state of motion.
Get it, inertia says that things have a tendency to stay in motion, or stay still. It doesn't have squat to do with why wings going 500+MPH don't leave marks on buildings, m'kay?
Reilly, first you say the wings have no mass, they're just sheets of aluminum. Now you're saying they do have some structure, and hence mass.
Pick a story and stick with it, OK?
So, did the plane vaporize or not? If not, then where is it? If so, then how did it punch through all that concrete, and then disappear?
But honestly, don't bother answering. I don't believe everything people tell me. Especially someone who thinks that inertial explains why a building wouldn't show signs where the wings on a jetliner hit it.
I also don't believe the 9/11 Commission, considering they themselves tell us not to believe them. But you can go ahead and believe them, that is, of course, your choice.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Actually, it's my belief that if a plane hit the Pentagon, those spools would show some sign of the wreckage. Look, you don't see any plane remains in the photo. I guess the wings just got sucked into the hole where they later vaporized!
Stranger than fiction!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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It's hard for me to believe that whatever 9-11 schemers there were, would need to use something other than an airplane to attack the pentagon, but I really don't know what happened, just that things do not add up.
But to contribute to this discussion on melting stuff, the Jet Fans in those planes are made of Titanium and designed to resist the hottest of fires, cause they are in the fire all the time. They are big parts in those engines
Peace
Karl
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Stranger than fiction! !!!!11111116666666666
Stranger than fiction would be that it was missile
and that it was staged
that would be Stranger than fiction!
Stranger then fiction would be an airplane flying in though one of k-man's ears and out the other and encountered even a single working neuron.
A good way to test k-man's hypothesis is to a fly an airliner horizontally into his house, with him in it, at 500 miles an hour.
We can then see how much wreckage is in his front lawn in front of his house instead of hundreds of feet down field.
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