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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 29, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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I was just about to add this comment to the thread and poof, gone like Tower 7.
"I think what's most important is the assiduous avoidance of critical review, informed discussion or civil discourse on this or any other subject here on Supertopo.
The mere suggestion of such behaviour should be immediately met with withering ridicule, character assassination and indignant dismissal."
It's comforting to see the OP come to an understanding that we'll have no such truck as 911 conspiracy theories on this forum.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 29, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
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Oh, we'll have conspiracy threads. Just not from some medicated spammer.
The OP didn't delete the thread, an admin did, then the op was banned.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Even better, ban such nonsense.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Nov 29, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
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I agree w/ monolith. I hate it when some non-climbing wackos come to troll us.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Nov 29, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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Yeah, that was almost as crazy as the conspiracy theory passed off as the official story.
Warren Commission all over again. Everyone knows it is bs, and that something (?) is being covered up.
And there is plenty of evidence that the Towers were able to come down exactly as they did just by the jetliner collisions
Yes that is plausible, as in plausible deniability.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 29, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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Be vewy vewy quiet!
Don't wake up Werner.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 29, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
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Dammit I missed that. So how do you explain the molten steel??
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Nov 29, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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I'm just not going there. Go to infowars.com for this stuff
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 29, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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Enjoy your linear reality boys... While it lasts....
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 29, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Dr F- can you find another incident where a high rise building was caused to collapse as a result of a fire?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 29, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Bush and Cheney rigged the Twin Towers with explosives???
I don't think anybody has said Bush and Cheney rigged the towers.
But why critical-thinking adults want to deny an official explosives analysis on the WTC debris, that I don't understand.
If explosives were found to be part of the mix, then wouldn't you want to investigate further? Occum's Razor and all, ya know.
Think of the children!
No, actually think of DHS and how they're here to help you.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 29, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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Say, Munge called it quick. He said the OP of the 9-11 thread was a bot.
How'd he determine that??
And yes, it seems the entire thread was removed--no trace of any posts to it, which is unusual.
Say, CMac climbs, and wouldn't climbers be needed to rig those towers?? Now it's coming to light ;-0
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Rudder
Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
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Nov 29, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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Anybody with a construction background knows that of wood, steel, and concrete buildings... steel burns the hottest. I did find "loose change" very entertaining, though. Alot of conspiracy theories are entertaining. :)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
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Doc, hopefully you don't believe I'm calling you names...
Actually, my conspiracy theory goes beyond Bush & Cheney, who only hold power for 4 or 8 years. The ones who do this type of stuff don't loose power at the whim of some silly general election. But that's another story.
What I'm asking for is a test of the debris, that's all. Unofficially, the debris has been shown to have evidence of explosives.
For WTC7, office fires (the official cause of the collapse) does not do it. The computer models that 'proved' that small fires could have brought down the building had to be tweaked many times before they got the result required. And still, the models are sealed so no body can refute there findings.
And Dr. F., there are many, many other extreme coincidences that occurred that day, the chances of which point to an extremely improbable result of three towers falling, and the Pentagon damage.
We've gone over this a bunch, no need to go circular here. The video on the first page of this thread, as well as the statements made by the authors of the 9-11 Commission Report should be enough to make you wonder--why the cover up??
Cheers,
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
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Rudder, steel doesn't burn. Not without an agent to make it do so.
With your abundant construction knowledge, what made the steel in the WTC buildings "burn?"
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
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They did test the dust for traces of explosives, and found nothing conclusive.
Who did?? Show evidence. Why are thousands of architects calling for a new investigation??
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://ae911truth.org/
I'm not saying anything is conclusive, but it's worth discussing. Much more important IMHO than any of the political topics you guys discuss all the time. It's pretty close minded to just shut down an argument without even talking about it.....
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
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Thermite makes steel burn real good apparently... Makes these neat little micro spheres too which are evident in all the World Trade Center dust samples....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
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No, they [NIST, FEMA] did not test for explosives.
I just can't cite this enough:
The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.
Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
My question is why folks are determined to believe the 9/11 Commission Report when the authors themselves claim it was pure bunk.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
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In addition to the evidence that there was explosives in the building that were pre-planted, there is also a bit of evidence that jet airplanes hit the buildings at high speed and their fuel ignited.
I am more inclined to think that people involved made mistakes and were greedy or stupid than I am to think that they were amazingly clever. So clever that they pulled off the most amazing logistical planning since the fake moon landings but were too stupid to know that explosives residue and molten steel would be found?
The nuts are giving way too much credit, and way too little at the same time, to the people who would have planned the whole thing (who are not the terrorists).
But this stuff is pretty funny to read so keep it up.
Dave
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