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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Joe- he's cracking about Illegal Iranian Nazi immigrant gangbangers from benghazi...and Compton invading the res with taxidermied drone cat copters.
Mono-Yes!!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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400+ posts to a thread about a type of buggy that's now rarely seen. Wow!
What's next, a thread about pennyfarthings?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Bummer there isn't a forum somewhere that could be searched for Ron's outrage prior to 2008.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Riley
There has been terrorism in the USA since the first days of the constitution and will continue forever.
Look up the history of terrorist acts.
It is not an excuse for the loss of civil liberties.
Infact it is spitting on the sacrifice of over 1 Million Americans. (if you count confederate soldiers)
Liberty or Death
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Certainly not me Ron. But I would remind you that the most vigorous and consistent opposition to abuses of executive power, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office, comes from groups like the ACLU which I'm guessing you regard with contempt (correct me if I'm wrong). That is one area that I find genuine differences between those who identify as Democrats vs. those who identify as Republicans. When Bush was shoving through the Patriot act (not to mention the extralegal actions Bush and crew engaged in) there was nary an objection to it from the right. Indeed, anyone who questioned it was labeled a traitor by the right.
I think the left has a pretty good record of opposing things like this no matter who is pushing it.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Maybe you missed the part where I said I opposed it ;-)
So let me be more explicit...
I oppose any legislation that subverts due process. I oppose the expansions in executive power that the last decade has brought. I oppose imprisonment without judicial review, indefinite detention and extralegal killing and have consistently. That is why I support groups like the ACLU and EFF.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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What about Montana, a state with gun laws in direct conflict with fed requirements? Is everyone there going to be labelled a " belligerent"?
Montanans have always been belligerent, In fact, the original Montanans - the Blackfeet and Crow were belligerent as hell and the whole Salishan Nation of tribes thought they were total bad asses.
I personally think we need "border protection" up there and ought to wall the whole state off.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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EFF seems well intended as does the ACLU yet it has become to politically entrenched imho.
That could be because they work solely on political issues.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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So Ron, then you'd be for closing gitmo, bringing them to the states, and letting the Uyghurs go? You do know about the Uyghurs, right? The muslims who weren't fighting us, but that we have jailed without a trail on behalf of the Chinese government.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Ron,
The Bill of Rights covers everyone, not just US citizens (as do many international treaties we are signatory to).
Oh, and timely, the latest EFF newsletter just appeared in my inbox...
Dear Friend of Digital Freedom,
As 2012 comes to a close, I've been reflecting on the relentless series of campaigns, publications, and cases in which the dedicated lawyers, technologists, and activists of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) have engaged in service of a better, freer digital future. With help from supporters like you, we've been able to accomplish so much.
The year started off perilously as we fought back a pair of dangerous Internet censorship bills (popularly known as SOPA and PIPA) backed by copyright maximalists. EFF played a critical role during the day-long website blackout protest by Google, Wikipedia, and others, as millions of Internet users were referred to EFF's website for an explanation of the dangers and an opportunity to take action. Nearly two million emails were sent through EFF's action center to let Congress know how you felt, and together we were able to successfully de-rail the legislation.
As the year progressed, EFF's legal team continued to fight against all sorts of threats to your freedom. We carried on with our battle against the U.S. government’s warrantless wiretapping program. We filed briefs against unauthorized government GPS location tracking and drone surveillance, bogus copyright and patent infringement lawsuits, and the overbroad seizure of data stored with third party providers. We fought for fair use and the rights of innovators and service providers. We promoted the use of open wireless networks and won renewal of your right to jailbreak your cell phone.
EFF's international and tech teams sought to protect activists, bloggers and journalists throughout the world who were being censored and arrested. We created guides and technology tools to help people protect themselves and their communications. Our browser plugin for Firefox and Chrome, HTTPS Everywhere, helped over 2.5 million users secure their communications from eavesdropping and other security threats.
Looking forward, however, there is still so much to be done. EFF is moving into a new building, where we'll be continuing some old fights and preparing for some new ones. The threats to freedom and innovation keep on coming, and EFF is ready to continue to fight for your rights.
But we can't continue do it without your help.
If you've already given to EFF this year, thank you for your support. If you haven't, or if you have the ability to give a little more, please consider making a donation today.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Friday it will consider eliminating the government's chief weapon against racial discrimination at polling places since the 1960s.
What a coincidence! Nothing 'activist' about that whatsoever (which four justices could possibly have voted for that), is there. The assault on minorities continues - the right just doesn't get it. And on the heels of an election that saw more voting rights violations in recent memory.
They think this is going to help them, but in reality it's just sending the message to minorities that they aren't welcome and those minorities are going to respond by voting in ever stronger numbers in order to tell these guys to go f*#k themselves.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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This nation has faced Annihilation. Facing annihilation was it's birth pains.. A man said Give Me Liberty or Give me death.
A nation was born of the SUPERTOPO Motto
Yer gonna DIE!
I grew up knowing that at any moment the Warheads could bloom and Humans would die by the BILLIONS and if we were lucky we would pick ourselves up again....
IN THE STONE-AGE
And now this pathetic leadership wants me to fear Terrorists like Osama???
ARE YOU F*#KING KIDDING ME?
WTF are they gonna do.. get a nuke and blow up a million folks who ARE GONNAA DIE ANYWAY?????????
F*#K ALL THOSE WHO TAKE OUR FREEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIBERTY OR DEATH
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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I am a Democrat and I vote.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Freedom!
America
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Malemute! Re your mention:
we got lots of animals, few humans ... we got our priorities straight
You folks are doing great. We are the fuked up nation!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 10, 2012 - 10:50am PT
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The 'Nuge is a f*#king pshycho but I absolutely approve of his lifestyle when it come to having a sustainable food source... for a freaky fukin dude, he has his priorities straight in hunting and game.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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I know a taxidermist who had an HS helicopter land in his parking lot with a fully battle geared team to arrest him over two salted turkey skins from mexico. TRUE STORY. HOMELAND security at work.....
I call Bullsh#t, not by you, but by your taxi buddy.
I mean, does this sound even remotely credible?
Of course not.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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FYI climbski2,
That photo of the mountains is not in the US but on the Italian side of the Mont Blanc Range, in the photo are the Noire de Peuterey, the Blanche de Peuterey, and in the wee way background you can make out the Matterhorn and Monte Rosa behind that.
Great photo and a fantastic place to climb.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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Degaine
That photo of the mountains is not in the US but on the Italian side of the Mont Blanc Range
Yeah I realized that but I like Jon Griffiths photo so much i left it there anyway. Freedom
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