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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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They can because it is lucrative.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
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"rising costs shmising costs, i cannot believe someone can buy 6,000 rounds of ammo with no questions asked."
How many rounds would be a reasonable ammount? Remember, if you're going to own a gun you need *training* - which means a lot of practice.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
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"My Uncle used to shoot with him in Big Bear."
That might be true, Chaz.
Do you know what his name is, and why he was significant?
It would seem that any self-professed 'skilled' gun owner who thinks that they could have done well in that theatre should know who this guy was, and what he was well-known for.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 21, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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Obviously no one on here has been to an opening night of a movie like this. It's already rowdy as hell in the theater and people were dressed in costumes, undoubtedly costumes resembling the heavily armored batman...anyone here who says they could have competently taken out this dude amid all this chaos and confusion and smoke is full of sh#t.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
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anyone here who says they could have competently taken out this dude amid all this chaos and confusion and smoke is full of sh#t.
and what is your qualifications to make that statement? You would know, how?
Wait, you were with the 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) or DEVGRU (formerly known as Seal Team 6)??
What kind of expert are you?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
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obviously Ron it's
d) call 911, let the experts handle it
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~kief~
Trad climber
state of Awakening
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
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Enough monday morning quarterbacking...F.
You're creating a world where all will feel validated carrying arms...everywhere.
that does not make me feel safer ....sorry.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
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LOL!
toadgas that is crazy.
Ron didn't mean "shot of your life" the way you think...
It would be super easy shot.
Ron probably practices with targets that are much farther away.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
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If you could close the distance on the bad guy fast enough to try and tackle him, then just close the distance and make it ahead shot from 6 inches away.
Tango down.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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yeah right.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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Zzzzzzzz, gun nuts talking about what they'd do to criminals. Zzzzz, have another beer and turn the channel, girls.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 21, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
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Where we are at is anybody allowed to buy an assault rifle. NRA chokehold on the country is the main cause of the body count.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 21, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
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Where we are at is anybody allowed to buy an assault rifle.
Nobody is allowed to buy an assault rifle without a special license and tax.
looks like you don't know the definition of one.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 21, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 21, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
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"Gun toter" here since '93. Never had to shoot anyone... hopefully that will continue.
I still don't see why this tragedy has sparked the "gun debate". Well, I guess I expected it but still don't see why.
There are a number of off-the-shelf ways to have killed EVERYONE in that theater. Theaters are death traps for a lunatic.If you could magically wish guns all away tomorrow those options would still exist and would certainly have been figured out by this guy. Shall I list all the mass-murders accomplished with no bullets?
Most of the folks here seem intelligent. Use that intelligence to realize the tools of a madman are not the issue and never will be. Turn off the idiots on TV and think about that for a minute, maybe two.
It's normal I guess to have the need to blame something and try to figure out how to avoid such murderous acts in the future.
The fact is life is not safe. It never has been. There is no way to avoid death. If anyone with half a brain has he will to kill you then you're likely going to die. Make peace with that.
Extensive training and carrying a gun gives me a slight edge perhaps in the right situation. It doesn't obligate me to play a cop, it certainly doesn't make me Rambo, and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference in that horror show the other night.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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Dover, what's with all the paranoid blood lust talk?
Is that your opinion of police too? They can't wait to kill just for fun?
What twisted world do you live in?
Are you hoplophobic?
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MisterE
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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Worth a re-post, thanks climbski2:
LOVE
Perspective
From someone else
By Mike Johnston
On Friday, 4 million Coloradans went to work and played football in their front yard; strangers opened doors for each other; people gave blood, offered shelter, served hot meals, held grandkids, played pick-up basketball and committed unnumbered acts of kindness and gentleness. One Coloradan dressed up like a villain and believed that by showing up at the site of America’s mythical hero he could slay our actual heroes.
It’s true there was no Batman sitting in the theater to fly down and tackle James Holmes, as he hoped there might be. He had tactical assault gear covering his whole body, ready for America to fight back.
But love is more organized than that. Love has cellphones and ambulances, nurses and doctors, complete strangers and policemen and emergency responders always at the ready. Love has nurses who will jump out of bed in the middle of the night and get family members to watch their children so they can rush to the hospital and save the life of someone they’ve never met. Love has first responders who will walk into a booby-trapped building to save the lives of neighbors they will never meet.
It must be lonely being James Holmes, spending the first part of your life planning alone for an act that will leave you sitting alone for the rest of your life. For the rest of us, life is crowded. Love is always only three numbers and one movie seat away.
We have lived our country’s history as a chapter of wars, and many of those wars we have been blessed to win. We are a team that loves each other and will fight for each other, and if you punch us in the mouth, we will fight back.
That is one of our obvious strengths, but it is not our greatest strength. America’s awesome strength to fight is overwhelmed by its irrepressible strength to love. James Holmes took 12 lives Friday. Love saved 58 lives. Policemen on the scene in minutes, strangers carrying strangers, nurses and doctors activated all over the city.
But we didn’t stop there. Love saved the 700 other people who walked out of the Aurora movie theater unhurt.
But we didn’t stop there. Love saved the 5,000 who went to see Batman all over Colorado, and the 1.2 million who saw it all over the country, who walked in and out safely with their friends, arm in arm.
But we didn’t stop there. Love claimed the 4 million other Coloradans who went to bed peacefully last night, and who woke up this morning committed to loving each other a little deeper.
The awe of last night is not that a man full of hate can take 12 people’s lives; it is that a nation full of love can save 300 million lives every day.
I sat this morning wondering what I could do to help: give blood, support victims, raise money, stop violence. How could we start to fight back?
My friends were texting me that they had plans to take their kids to Batman tonight but were now afraid to go. Others who were going to play pick-up basketball or go out to dinner were now afraid to leave home. They thought they would bunker down in their home and wonder, “How do we fight back?”
The answer is we love back. We live back. We deepen our commitments to all the unnumbered acts of kindness that make America an unrendable fabric. We respond by showing that we will play harder, and longer. We will serve more meals, play more games, eat more food, listen to more jazz, go to more movies, give more hugs, and say more “thank yous” and “I love yous” than ever before.
So while James Holmes settles into the cell where he will spend the rest of his life, wondering what we will do to fight back, we will love back. We will go to a park this afternoon and play soccer, we will go to the playground and restaurants and movie theaters of our city all weekend and all year.
He should know not only that he failed in his demented attempt to be the villain, but that Batman didn’t have to leap off the screen to stop him, because we had a far more organized and powerful force than any superhero could ever have. Even the twelve lives that he took, this nation will love so strongly and so deeply that we will ensure they get a lifetime full of love out of a life he tried to cut short.
And the 59 lives we took back will be so overrun with love that they will live their lives feeling blessed every day, and everyone who ever meets them will pass on in an instant a love they never knew they earned but we will never let them forget.
In a movie theater in Aurora 50 years from now, one of last night’s survivors will be waiting in the popcorn line and mention that he was in Theater 9 on that terrible summer night in 2012. And inexplicably, with an armful of popcorn, a total stranger will reach out and give that old man a huge hug and say, “I’m so glad you made it.”
Love back. We’ve already won.
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MisterE
Social climber
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Jul 22, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Toadgas:
I'm not feelin the love
Well go ahead with your reactive self, then.
I choose to stay active, rather than reactive.
Edit: That is not to say that all those carrying are reactive.
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