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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Apr 25, 2007 - 04:28pm PT
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And I wasn't even aware that Saudi Arabia *had* any troops to send in. Seems to me, *we've* been they're military whenever they've needed one.
You must be going over the deep end from the jubilant celebration that your Godly One has finally declared his candidacy, eh? Even if he is on the way down (latest polls in his home state ain't good.)
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Apr 25, 2007 - 06:50pm PT
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"See, you let them into a reasonably fair process and look what happens, treason. If found guilty there should be a hanging."
I agree about Bush and Cheney.
They are treasonus sons-of-bitches.
Ahem.....
"They" meaning Palestinians? All of "them"?
Once again you are making yourself in Joseph Goebels image.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Apr 25, 2007 - 06:57pm PT
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they ~= them
(just like fatty & idiot)
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Apr 25, 2007 - 07:42pm PT
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"Anti-war crowd, admit you were wrong..."
Um...about what, exactly?
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Apr 25, 2007 - 07:51pm PT
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jody wrote: "These scenes brought tears to my eyes this morning. Let's hear you say we should have left Saddam in power. "
judy-
we should have left saddam in power
or at least we should have considered the miriad of possible approaches to rid iraq of him, short of launching this quagmire, and NO, this isn't hindsight, as i have said it all along.
am i a genious?
no sir, george w bush is an idiot, and the entire schedule for the whole boondagle was (obviously) to get the troops home w/in a single election cycle- nice try on that one rummy...
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Apr 25, 2007 - 07:53pm PT
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OK fatty,
Ahem.....
"Them" meaning Palestinians? All of "them"?
Once again you are making yourself in Joseph Goebels image.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Apr 25, 2007 - 09:27pm PT
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If THIS is wrong:
I don't wanna be right.
Stay tuned for another asinine post from A.Crowley. (he can't help himself, it's a disease)
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Apr 25, 2007 - 09:46pm PT
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I'll say it as well.
We (the US) would be better off if we had left Saddam in power.
There is also an argument to be made that a large percentage of Iraq and the Middle East would be in better shape if we stepped back to where things were before the invasion. We certainly would have had more resources to focus on Afghanistan and al-Qaeda, and maybe even some domestic things.
This doesn't mean Saddam was a good guy. Far from it. Just that maybe the particular result (getting Saddam out of there) was not worth what has happened since.
And certainly, if we were going to do it, it could have been done alot better than the way we did it. And this is not all hindsight. Experienced military commanders warned we didn't have enough troops to do the job correctly and were ignored. Experienced Middle east experts warned of issues with the Sunni/Shiite split and were ignored.
It was a bad idea to begin with and has turned into an unbelievable mess by being botched by the most incompetent and arrogant administration this country has ever known.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Apr 27, 2007 - 06:47pm PT
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"Grow up."
Good comeback fatty.
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atchafalaya
climber
California
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Apr 27, 2007 - 06:57pm PT
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Saddam's irrelevant. We should have left him in power.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Apr 27, 2007 - 06:58pm PT
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just popping in. Has anyone admitted they were wrong yet?
No?
carry on.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Apr 27, 2007 - 08:52pm PT
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No al-Qaeda / Iraq connection?
"The al-Qaeda leader who is thought to have devised the plan for the July 7 suicide bombings in London and an array of terrorist plots against Britain has been captured by the Americans."
"Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, a former major in Saddam Hussein’s army, was apprehended as he tried to enter Iraq from Iran and was transferred this week to the “high-value detainee programme” at Guantanamo Bay."
Note the words:
-"al-Qaeda"
-"Iraq"
-"major in Saddam Hussein's army"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1717571.ece
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Apr 27, 2007 - 09:21pm PT
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Yeah "So damn insane," will not be missed, and the world is probably a better place with out him. But that lynch mob wasn't right and there were any number of better ways to deal with that. That move made him a martyr (just wait), and escalated the rancor on each side, among other things.
"Note the words:
-"al-Qaeda"
-"Iraq""
er, you know there are other languages and alphabets involved, right? or were you being funny?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 27, 2007 - 09:26pm PT
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Al-Iraqi had nothing to do with Saddam or Iraq from the time he hooked up with OBL in Afganistan until the war. OBL sent him into Iraq to run operations for him after the war. Given SCOTUS ordered all the CIA's prisoners to Qitmo last September the real question is where has he been held? There is likely yet more treasonous behavior involved with the handling of this prisoner between 9/06 and now. You know - laws - that's why we have a Supreme Court. When someone in our government deliberatly breaks those laws in the procescution of war, we call that treason - or hell, we used to before felons took over the White House. The only reason this was released was to counter Tenant's current media campaign in support of his new book.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 27, 2007 - 09:31pm PT
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Chaz is right. Saddam WAS Osama bin Laden! Can't you see? It's all so clear!
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happyboulderer
Trad climber
black truck
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Apr 28, 2007 - 11:30pm PT
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dude, you need to find something to tear up about besides whether or not we have killed the right madman. I hope you are someday able to believe in the good that humanity is able to create rather than simply reveling in a justification for spreading our paranoia as far and wide as possible. Peace be with you.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Apr 28, 2007 - 11:47pm PT
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"Experienced military commanders warned we didn't have enough troops to do the job correctly and were ignored."
I do not claim to know the answer to this question but I honestly wonder -- if from the outset of the Iraq conflict, if we had fifty times the manpower we currently have, could our agenda ever be effectively installed? Say we occupy every house and shack and celler and tent in the whole damn place, for ten years. Fifty years. Would the people change their ways through this occupation? Would more soldiers increase our popular support - or our current lack of it?
What does "do the job correctly" actually mean from the long view, in ten or fifteen years?
Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity. Doing the same thing, only harder, or with more folks - what is this, exactly? Why would more people increase popular support, without which no change can ever possibly take place?
I don't bring this up to argue a point, only to air my doubts about the possibility that seeding a democracy (of some form) in present day Iraq will, or can, work. This has nothing to do with democracy sounding good or seeming like a grand idea and all that. I'm just looking at this like another big climb and I'm not seeing the things that others (supporters of pressing on) apparently are seeing that suggest that this particular route is going to "go." You can bump up the summit assault team to include another fifty thousand but if there's no cracks, the wall is overhanging and the rock's shitty, it won't much matter.
It's not that we're licked. "Licked" implies there was a way to win in the first place. This may be the biggest illusion of them all. The gigantic denial - that Iraq is impossible. Even for us.
JL
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Apr 28, 2007 - 11:55pm PT
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Jody - Three words - Art Of War.
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Apr 29, 2007 - 12:02am PT
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