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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:29pm PT
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the overzealous approach is taken by some, but (in my experience) more often than not, any mention of things religious is tantamount to "beating someone over the head with a Bible" in the eyes of many agnostics/atheists.
Many people just want to share what has had a positive impact in their own life (as micro alluded to) and are rebuffed with great prejudice while a blind eye is turned to that by those who do not believe.
I don't hold every non believer accountable for actions of their peers. Its also not reasonable to hold all believers accountable for misdeeds/misconstrued deeds of their cohorts.
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
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Honestly, Dr. F. Yeah.
And I regret it. I was all stoked when he was first sworn in, but what a disaster. What a letdown.
I cared little about politics at the time but was a pretty uneducated right winger, God and Guns and Pro Life as the main reason I voted that way, typical stuff. But I was in my early twenties.
I still lean right but would probably be considered a right trending centrist. Looking for a good leader right now. Most of the Washington boys and girls are self serving crooks anyway.
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
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I also blindly thought...."We need a Christian President. That will make me feel good about restoring this Nation to its judeo christian roots."
Now I realize thats a farce. In my opinion we need sound leadership, accountability and adherence to the constitution by men and women who truly want to serve their land.
Christians need to lead by example if we hope to elicit any positive change in a broken world.
Again, Bush and his administration was a grand dissapointment. More republicans nneed to admit this humbly.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Jan 20, 2009 - 08:43pm PT
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I second that, micro. Its tough to explain that being christian does not equate to being a knee-jerk republican.
Bush was a letdown. He talked the talk in 2000 but failed to do much more than that in the years following.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Jan 20, 2009 - 09:35pm PT
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prove it.
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Robb
Social climber
It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!
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Jan 20, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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Hey DMT
Was it the one off of Presscot (?) road near Briggsmore?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 20, 2009 - 10:53pm PT
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I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. so i ran over and said "stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?" He said, "Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -Emo Phillips
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jan 20, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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Mighty Hiker, great point. Peeps, not jesus, created all these crazy clubs. Read Matthew or Mark or Luke or John. Jesus was pretty straight forward and no creator of cliques. :D
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jan 20, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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Dr. F, response to 10:12 am....Sorry, but "Betty" could have never helped me, would never have had the power to pull lynnie from death to life. Many years ago my psychological life/brain was on a depressed and downward slide to death. A miracle happened for this gal.
Miracle as in the Thread Question re: miracles. Yes, god does miracles and intervenes. god says, " draw close to me and I Will draw close to yo." He means it. Snuggle right on up to the dude. He's real. Peace, lrl
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 01:46pm PT
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Dr F -- "God must have attributes, if he has no attributes, only nothing has no attributes, so he does not exist."
No attributes, eh?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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You can't read English either.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 21, 2009 - 02:37pm PT
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Dr. F,
Your simple reason is a lesson to all of us.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 02:37pm PT
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Dr F_ailed
I told you can't read nor can you even comprehend your failed logic.
That's NOT hindu. It's Sanskrit.
But you're a useless argument period.
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Gene
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 03:59pm PT
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How can the supernatural, which is unobservable and unquantifiable, be explained by science? Is it because science posits that only that which can be observed and quantified is “real” and therefore the supernatural cannot exist?
gm
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KlimbIn
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:05pm PT
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" How can the supernatural, which is unobservable and unquantifiable, be explained by science? Is it because science posits that only that which can be observed and quantified is “real” and therefore the supernatural cannot exist?
gm
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Uhm Interesting.
If the answer is yes (ie. science posits ...) then 'science' is using an non empirically provable method of, ahem, proof.
We'll just take it on faith then that science is correct.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:10pm PT
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Dr. F,
You're right, it always seems the "spiritual" folks make the personal attacks.
It is nearly impossible to reason with the unreasonable. Those that think all experience is absolutely personal and not subject to critique of any kind are locked in an epistemological solipsism. But it's not easy to explain that to them! You're doing as good a job as is possible..
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:15pm PT
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roehl
Hahaha I told him he can't read.
"Does Werner's logic or Sanscript transcripts do anything for anyone else out there."
It's Sanskrit, ... not hindu nor sanscript. And he's a scientist?????
hahahaha
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:17pm PT
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You've made a mockery of science here Dr F
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:18pm PT
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See what I mean?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 21, 2009 - 04:32pm PT
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Heresy can't exist without the backdrop of unreasonable belief and the abandonment of reasonable critique. Heretics are an intolerable element that must be destroyed. Very dangerous these believers. Just look at the history of the disciples of love.
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