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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2018 - 05:52am PT
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F*#k Julian assange. Despite all his huffing he’s just a wanna be kingmaker like anyone else.
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2018 - 07:31am PT
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To a degree I get that, dmt, although a lot of the info he released was likely obtained illegally from nefarious sources. But the Assange worship in the past was very misguided, and selective release of info, which is what he did, is manipulative and damaging.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 10, 2018 - 07:33am PT
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Speaking of, I think my snake just ate a rat!
Sure he or she didn't just ball it up and hide it behind the water dish?
Congratulations - I know you were concerned.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 10, 2018 - 08:00am PT
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why hasn't the #metoo movement gone after Assange? He is assumed to be guilty of rape.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:23am PT
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WaPost
Purged from voting rolls while deployed, Ohio vet demands answers
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:36am PT
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Trump lauded delivery of F-52s to Norway.
The planes only exist in ‘Call of Duty.’
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
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I didn't vote for either scumbag, but I don't understand the hate towards Assange. He has a better track record than every other media outlet: it's flawless. He has also exposed a lot of the politics behind corporations like Google:
https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
Assange has been courages and he has paid heavily for it. Regardless of whatever politics you may THINK he espouses (he seems quite liberal in the traditional sense of the word, and gives lip service to some anti-fascist organizations), he earns respect by fighting courageously for the truth and speaking it to power.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:13pm PT
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why hasn't the #metoo movement gone after Assange? He is assumed to be guilty of rape.
Maybe because he's innocent?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 11, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
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Trump is turning the White House into a shithole.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 20, 2018 - 12:39am PT
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A Putin win
1 year in; a grubbyment shut it down ?
yer fired,
there is no reason to celebrate,
unless this was the plan from the quid pro?
The shjthole comment? that was a way to distract, a common occurrence.
govern by failurez to lead. govern'd by greedy foolz,
we are watching the demise of the democratic experiment that was once the shinning light of hope in the world
Putin winz
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2018 - 04:52am PT
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^^^
I agree Gnome
I, along with others, have always said that Putin must be laughing. To iterate, regardless if there was collusion with Trump's campaign and the Russians, or if there was not, Trump's actions (and those of his administration) still play into the hands of Putin.
The polarization of the US, the divisions, is what the Kremlin desires, and why not in their eyes, as they feel the US was a major player in the breakup of the Soviet Union.
Some may argue that the actions of anti-Trumpers also play a part in the polarization, and there is a point there, but in the overall picture, in my view, such actions are reactions to an authoritarian agenda by Trump and company.
I have nothing against Russians but I do against Putin and his agenda to destabilize the US. The Kremlin is not a friend of the US, this has been pointed out by numerous "experts" it the field of foreign policy, on both sides of the left-right "divide".
A return to the Cold War is not desirable, to be on better terms with Russian and China, to work together is desirable, but it is not going to happen, not in the short term, as those two regimes are not democratic, that said, is the US turning away from democracy?
How much Trump has benefitted from it, is to to be seen. He certainly has benefitted from financial help from Russian financial sources. Look it up.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 20, 2018 - 08:17am PT
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Let's face it.
Most of you are just plain brainwashed idiots by the US propaganda machine spewing its daily horesh!t into your tiny brains ......
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 03:47am PT
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At least some of us have brains, even if they are tiny.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Jan 21, 2018 - 03:00pm PT
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Patrick Sawyer:
The Kremlin is not a friend of the US, this has been pointed out by numerous "experts" it the field of foreign policy, on both sides of the left-right "divide". Patrick, you make so many unsubstantiated proclamations, that I do not have time to comment on all of them.
My only comment is about Kremlin being an enemy of the US.
Of course, Russia is an enemy of the US.
Let’s take a look how this happened.
After capitalist revolution of 1991 leadership of Russia (Gorbachev etc.) has fallen in love with the US and has showered US with expensive gifts.
Let me remind you about two of them ($10 billon plus each):
1. Transfer of 500 tons of highly enriched uranium from Russia to US.
2. Transfer of know-how of long term space flights.
Prior to start of cooperation with Russia, longest US space flight was 84 days vs. about a year for Russia. Without such help US would have spent a lot of time and money to acquire this knowledge on their own.
US government rejected all such advances and decided that Russia should be an enemy.
US government broken a promise not to advance US/NATO troops into Eastern Europe and started creating military bases there.
The latest hostile steps were US sponsored and managed Ukrainian coup of 2014 and subsequent sanctions.
So US government decided that Russia should be an enemy.
They just did not bother to explain why they made this decision.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 21, 2018 - 03:55pm PT
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^^ Yuri, thanks for sharing that perspective. I'll have to set aside some time to research it more.
It's a good segue to what I came here to post about. If what Yuri is sharing is accurate, it has echoes of how the Allied Forces treated Germany at the end of WW1. My son is studying WW1 history right now (literally as I write this), and learning about the Treaty of Versailles, and he just had a light bulb moment: "Oh, Hitler could rise because the other countries were so harsh to Germany!" I offered something like "yeah, Hitler appealed to Germans wanting to get the boot off their faces, to start feeling good about themselves again."
Within the last hour I had regurgitated "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it". So after this exchange about Germany, I made the obvious current events mental association and said it out loud:
"Make America Great Again!"
My son then said, "that's what my history teacher said last year, and he got fired." I apparently was not tuned in at that moment. Here's what I just found:
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/11/22/a-40-year-teaching-career-ending-after-trumphitler-comparison-in-mountain-view/
So my son was in his class when this all went down. At a time when history teachers would of course draw parallels between past occurrences, the circumstances leading up to them, and current events that have obvious similarities... a teacher is fired for helping children to think in a critical fashion and identify commonalities in methods and circumstances? How far screwed up is our society by partisan politics?
I'm talking to my son just now about this teacher. Apparently he was a good teacher, didn't normally talk politics. But every Friday he had a section on current affairs for the kids to discuss and he typically didn't take any sides or try to influence the conversations. As for the issues that got the teacher fired... here are my sons words:
"He didn't say Trump's and Hitler's ideas were the same... just that the methods that Trump used to rile people up were similar to the methods that Hitler used to rile people up. They would focus on people in some state of shock or desperation, and give them a false sense of nationalism as a way of gaining support. And that's why so many people believe him. People don't listen to what Trump says so much, they just focus on the Make America Great Again. They just want to be part of something."
And so there you go. An early casualty in the current assault on the intellectuals that will surely ramp up as time progresses. Apparently the teacher was reinstated because of public outrage, but that was his last year (don't know if it was retirement or asked to not come back, etc.)
TLDR: My son's history teacher was fired last year for introducing ideas that some people find uncomfortable for partisan reasons but a rational person can hardly deny; he was reinstated because of public outrage; he quietly disappeared at the end of the year.
Edit: Correction - "paid administrative leave" not fired - thanks EdT. And the reinstatement was "after school kids deemed safe", time the school had received much external feedback. I unintentionally sensationalized a bit from lack of research and taking my son's simplified version (from the perspective of a kid in the teacher's class) at face value.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 21, 2018 - 04:55pm PT
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The teacher wasn't fired. He was on paid leave. He missed an hour of classroom time.
Definitely looks like he was mistreated. But sensationalizing the story is counterproductive.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 21, 2018 - 07:19pm PT
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This teacher was the most dangerous sort of person to Edward t:
Navarro is an expert on the Holocaust and has studied at the International Center for the Study of the Holocaust in Jerusalem. The 65-year-old was also named a Mandel Fellow for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.
An actual expert.
Also, unlike Edward, this teacher has an actual sense of professionalism, and understands, as does Edward, that because there was not a clear, public clearance of his actions, he remains professionally smeared. That was the goal---smear an expert who points out the historically obvious, and teach all similar experts what they can expect coming at them.
And what does the public lose, a highly proficient teacher.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2018 - 02:51am PT
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Yury, I see your point. But you know dang well it takes two to tango. It is not just a one-sided debate or issue. Both sides have policies and have committed actions that the other side reacts to. You must know that.
So are you trying to tell me that The Kremlin is the friend of the US? Or that the US is a friend of the Kremlin? To iterate, a return to any sort of Cold War is not desirable, but there are elements on both sides who desire it, for several reasons, you know that as well as I do, probably more.
And I do not make that many unsubstantiated claims, but then I admit I am no expert on US-Russian relations, as you seem to be. I have no ties to Russia, but I do not like Putin. Nor Trump. Nor Clinton, etc etc etc.
I do try and keep up with international relations and foreign policy, if I sound one-sided, I do not mean to be, I try to be objective. But I believe I am stating the obvious, Russia and the US are not friends.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:11am PT
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Patrick Sawyer:
Yury, I see your point. But you know dang well it takes two to tango. It is not just a one-sided debate or issue. Both sides have policies and have committed actions that the other side reacts to. I agree.
It's also Putin's fault.
Instead of just surrendering he is trying to resist.
So are you trying to tell me that The Kremlin is the friend of the US? No, I wrote that Kremlin was a friend of the US around 1991.
Or that the US is a friend of the Kremlin? No, the US never was a friend of USSR/Russia.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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Good editorial in today’s LA Times by Eugene Rumer - senior fellow at Carnegie Endowment
for International Peace.
“It’s unclear, then, if Russia is even worth obsessing about in this manner. If Clinton could not
prevail over a vulgar, dishonest, misogynist, ignorant political novice running a campaign full
of racism, xenophobia and patently unrealizable promises, all of which were widely covered by
the media throughout 2016, perhaps the Russian meddling really didn’t make that much of a
difference on the election outcome.”
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