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Dingus McGee
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Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 07:27am PT
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fear,
We can choose not to buy i-thingies.. ..
The problems arise with some of those that bought them. Your solution is worthless.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 07:29am PT
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DMT,
you tell me if you get shot with guns are you an innocent victim?
There is no writ of assistance in this case having to do with guns. It is iphones.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 07:53am PT
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DMT,
Bill Gates seems to think the system is not so complicated. He suggest the likings to having merely having tied a ribbon around the hard drive. And he suggest, The ribbon can easily be cut.
You, I and even the technocrats can speculate all we want as to how Apple did the security measure for the iphone. It seems the way it was done is Apple's proprietary system. And who might know what this involved?
Until Apple gets on the court deck and explains to other experts how such and such an opening is so impossible none of us will know if Apple even has a case of "unduly burdensome".
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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So, to paraphrase Joni Mitchell, they can take yer home to put up a parking lot but they
can't take yer precious iPhone?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 08:02am PT
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DMT
you can declare anything you want suggesting the irrelevancy of Bill Gates but I along the same lines of consistency can reasonably ask why would your speculation would be even be 1/10 as good? Your view by that standard must be IRRELEVANT.
Bill Gates was using metaphors and it seems wanted to communicate what he though the situation was to the non technical. He would likely know somewhat more than most technocrats about computer working and encryption.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2016 - 08:07am PT
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Since we all seem to be on our own high road do they ever intersect!
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 23, 2016 - 08:25am PT
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^ that's a good question. Well Reilly's statement was. In this case could Apple break into the iPhone in question in a way that doesn't create a "skeleton key" that can break into any iPhone.
The way the fbi wants to do it causes a huge hole in their security. Maybe Apple could figure out another way to do it that is limited to that one phone.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 23, 2016 - 08:27am PT
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It's funny that a lot of the people who complain about a "nanny state" and government over each are okay with losing privacy to the government.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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DMT,
more hyperbole
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 08:42am PT
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Since we all seem to be on our own high road do they ever intersect!
There is no intersection for the paths of narcissism and caring.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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No I explained why Gates used metaphors.
I meant babbling like this:
Maybe the Great Oz Gates can just cut that lil ole ribbon hisself!? File that in the talk is cheap round cabinet.
You can babble negatively all you want about Bill Gates but he is a recognized authority in computer encryption and YOU??
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Feb 23, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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You can't make this stuff up.
In a new twist, the federal head of cyber security Donna Seymour resigned just before she was scheduled to testify before congress amid allegations that the data of 18 million federal employees was compromised by hackers.
Among the people who's phone security was breached was FBI Director James Comey.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/opm-cybersecurity-chief-resigns-hearing-hack-federal-workers-n523941
The data was breached by negligence on the part of other employees and possibly Chinese hackers.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 09:01am PT
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Lorenzo,
the reference you gave does not substantiate this statement:
Among the people who's phone security was breached was FBI Director James Comey.
The reference says:
FBI Director James Comey called the hacks an "enormous breach," saying his own data were stolen.
It would seem more factual if could leave a complete and accurate paper trail as I find no reference to his iphone.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 23, 2016 - 09:11am PT
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blahblah wrote: 'You have no idea what the chances are being killed by a terrorist are unless you have access to classified information.'
That's not the case:
http://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf
There's loads out there that quantifies the relative likelihood of being a victim of terrorism over all the other risks. It is tiny.
Steve
So using "logic" such as this, our chances of being subject to a nuclear attack are essentially zero (it's never happened to the US, and only happened once in history), so the US government should spend essentially zero resources on nuclear non-proliferation? Why should we spend money on something when the "statistics" show the risk rounds down to zero?
Statistics don't necessarily shed much lights on risks in changing environments, and they don't tell you whether you're in a changing environment.
I believe the risks are being a terrorist victim are pretty low too, but I don't have access to classified information--if I did, maybe I'd consider the risks to be at least somewhat higher.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 09:17am PT
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Believe me you wouldn't!
You need to combine the stats, which are a fair representation of the facts with Common Sense.
Steve
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 09:24am PT
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As to the nuclear thing, The likelihood is extremely low, the risks however (likelihood and consequences) are enormous - on a global scale, so it makes sense to either maintain a credible deterrent, pursue disarmament, or better both.
While a terrorist act is more likely to take place, the likelihood is small, similarly the consequences do not pose anything like an existential threat to the USA.
It's not the same, and I'm struggling to understand why you would draw comparison in your argument.
Steve
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 23, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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As to the nuclear thing, The likelihood is extremely low, the risks however (likelihood and consequences) are enormous - on a global scale, so it makes sense to either maintain a credible deterrent, pursue disarmament, or better both.
While a terrorist act is more likely to take place, the likelihood is small, similarly the consequences do not pose anything like an existential threat to the USA.
It's not the same, and I'm struggling to understand why you would draw comparison in your argument.
OK I didn't think I needed to spell it out but apparently I do:
what if the terrorists get a nuke or another weapon of mass destruction?
How would any of us know what the likelihood of that is?
It should be obvious that there is a large group of well funded people who would like to attack the US--why are you so sure they'll fail?
I'd say on one of the few occasions when they really tried, they succeeded pretty well. They haven't followed up, yet.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 09:53am PT
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I'm losing the will to live.
Have you any idea about nuclear weapons. You can't just 'get' or 'make' a nuclear 'bomb' . Nation states spend billions trying to develop such devices and don't succeed. You can't make them in a cave in Syria.
The very fact that no groups have succeeded in doing so should tell you something......
Whilst there are alternatives out there, neither the bad guys, or you seem able to either understand how to get them, or use them, otherwise they probably would have by now.
Steve
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:03am PT
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i have some street cred (maybe not here on Crankloon Way) re: the terrorism business and I
have to agree with Blah-Blah. Only the successful high-profile takedowns get publicized to
meet political or budgetary purposes. The vast majority don't and shouldn't see the light of
day and the potential threats are, as they should be, strictly on a need-to-know basis. You
limp-wristed hand-wringers, Blakey notably excepted, have no bloody clue and shouldn't, and
that particularly includes most of those retards in Congress who think they should.
And, yes, I do intend to piss on Charlie Wilson's grave if I get the chance.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 23, 2016 - 10:07am PT
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Blakey
You are sooooo deluded about nukes these days.
You can get suitcase nukes.
They are being used in Syria as we speak.
US controlled main stream media censors and waters down everything.
Americans are just plain stupid .....
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