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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Laws change. Manson lives because of this.
Just because an individual is sentenced to death or life in prison without the possibility of parole, it does not guarantee that one day a law may pass that will allow his/her freedom.
That's a good point and bears repeating.
We want those murders punished right, and we don't want some wimpy future generations to let 'em off the hook!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Manson lives because of this. He and Sirhan Sirhan and many others are never getting out of prison.....ever.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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But they might.
Not a serious argument in even the remotest sense, but that's the innernutz.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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An issue that is seldom discussed is how the act of an execution is a sentence in itself for those having to carry it out. There was an interview this week on NPR where one of the participants is haunted by the last words of a condemned man who thanked him for ending his misery.
Like the armchair warrior/chicken hawk I say if you can't do it yourself then don't ask someone else to do it for you. Could I kill a condemned man? No, but could I kill him if he had brutally murdered a loved one? If I couldn't then how could I ask someone else to do it for me? Is this really about the one who did the crime or is this about the rest of us and having to live with ourselves?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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"The Last Hangman" - a Brit documentary about...
His record from cell to death was under 60 seconds, as I recall. The guy didn't mess around.
It's one of those films that sticks with you.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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A small sampling of innocent persons executed
England
Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder.
Texas
Cameron Todd Willingham was executed February, 2004, for murdering his three young children by arson at the family home in Corsicana, Texas. Subsequently proven to be a complete botch. The fire was accidental.
Johnny Garrett of Texas was executed February, 1992, for allegedly raping and murdering a nun.
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Previously unidentified fingerprints in the nun's room were matched to Rueda. Rick Perry
Perry supports the death penalty.[96] In June 2002, he vetoed a ban on the execution of mentally retarded inmates.[93] As of April 27, 2014, Gov. Perry has presided over 275 executions[97]-more than any governor in U.S. History.[98]
Florida
Jesse Tafero was convicted of murder and executed via electric chair May, 1990, in the state of Florida for the murders of two Florida Highway Patrol officers. The conviction of a co-defendant was overturned in 1992 after a recreation of the crime scene indicated a third person had committed the murders.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Why not take a few extra sleeping pills, then when the guy is asleep, you give him carbon monoxide poisoning, like when people die because they turn the car engine on in a fairly airtight space? Seems cheap and painless to me.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 15, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
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Meanwhile some organizations are taking it seriously
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/may/15/guardian-challenges-lethal-injection-secrecy-death-penalty-drugs
The growing secrecy adopted by death penalty states to hide the source of their lethal injection drugs used in executions is being challenged in a new lawsuit in Missouri, which argues that the American people have a right to know how the ultimate punishment is being carried out in their name.
The legal challenge, brought by the Guardian, Associated Press and the three largest Missouri newspapers, calls on state judges to intervene to put a stop to the creeping secrecy that has taken hold in the state in common with many other death penalty jurisdictions. The lawsuit argues that under the first amendment of the US constitution the public has a right of access to know “the type, quality and source of drugs used by a state to execute an individual in the name of the people”.
It is believed to be the first time that the first amendment right of access has been used to challenge secrecy in the application of the death penalty.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Jul 16, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
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Why not force the condemned to free solo?
REALITY SHOW BLOCKBUSTER.
If they actually make it, they're free to tuck into Stardom Lite.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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Wow this is still going on. I thought by now, somebody would have solved it.
How about the Tralfamadorian take on things. Borrowed from another stupid thread.
“When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in bad condition in the particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is "So it goes.”
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 16, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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Is There a Humane Way to Kill?
Who cares?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Sierra LR, I'll pass on overwatch's comment
Probably easier to be tralfamadorian when it isn't your family
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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Is There a Humane Way to Kill?
Absolutely not.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
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other countries are not the usa
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
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The legal challenge, brought by the Guardian, Associated Press and the three largest Missouri newspapers, calls on state judges to intervene to put a stop to the creeping secrecy that has taken hold in the state in common with many other death penalty jurisdictions. The lawsuit argues that under the first amendment of the US constitution the public has a right of access to know “the type, quality and source of drugs used by a state to execute an individual in the name of the people”.
The Guardian???
Not even an American newspaper!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
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Do The Guardian and the other so-called newspapers really give a sheeit about the First Amendment or the fact that people are getting killed and others are getting killed for killing them. Or, is it how many more ads will they sell and what increase in readership will be if they can get ahold of more gory details.
Hypocrites.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 16, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
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I don't have an issue with the disclosure of drugs or procedures, but the disclosure of manufacturer is only so that they can be targeted.
Same concept with the identity of the executioner. Does the public have a right to know that?
Do they have the right to know the identities and home addresses of Seal Team 6?
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