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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 9, 2014 - 06:20pm PT

Laws change. Manson lives because of this.

Just because an individual is sentenced to death or life in prison without the possibility of parole, it does not guarantee that one day a law may pass that will allow his/her freedom.

That's a good point and bears repeating.
We want those murders punished right, and we don't want some wimpy future generations to let 'em off the hook!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 9, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
Manson lives because of this.
He and Sirhan Sirhan and many others are never getting out of prison.....ever.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
May 9, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
But they might.

Not a serious argument in even the remotest sense, but that's the innernutz.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
May 9, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
An issue that is seldom discussed is how the act of an execution is a sentence in itself for those having to carry it out. There was an interview this week on NPR where one of the participants is haunted by the last words of a condemned man who thanked him for ending his misery.

Like the armchair warrior/chicken hawk I say if you can't do it yourself then don't ask someone else to do it for you. Could I kill a condemned man? No, but could I kill him if he had brutally murdered a loved one? If I couldn't then how could I ask someone else to do it for me? Is this really about the one who did the crime or is this about the rest of us and having to live with ourselves?

Tvash

climber
Seattle
May 9, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
"The Last Hangman" - a Brit documentary about...

His record from cell to death was under 60 seconds, as I recall. The guy didn't mess around.

It's one of those films that sticks with you.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 9, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
A small sampling of innocent persons executed

England
Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder.

Texas
Cameron Todd Willingham was executed February, 2004, for murdering his three young children by arson at the family home in Corsicana, Texas.
Subsequently proven to be a complete botch. The fire was accidental.
Johnny Garrett of Texas was executed February, 1992, for allegedly raping and murdering a nun.
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Previously unidentified fingerprints in the nun's room were matched to Rueda.
Rick Perry
Perry supports the death penalty.[96] In June 2002, he vetoed a ban on the execution of mentally retarded inmates.[93] As of April 27, 2014, Gov. Perry has presided over 275 executions[97]-more than any governor in U.S. History.[98]

Florida
Jesse Tafero was convicted of murder and executed via electric chair May, 1990, in the state of Florida for the murders of two Florida Highway Patrol officers. The conviction of a co-defendant was overturned in 1992 after a recreation of the crime scene indicated a third person had committed the murders.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 9, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
Why not take a few extra sleeping pills, then when the guy is asleep, you give him carbon monoxide poisoning, like when people die because they turn the car engine on in a fairly airtight space? Seems cheap and painless to me.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
Meanwhile some organizations are taking it seriously
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/may/15/guardian-challenges-lethal-injection-secrecy-death-penalty-drugs

The growing secrecy adopted by death penalty states to hide the source of their lethal injection drugs used in executions is being challenged in a new lawsuit in Missouri, which argues that the American people have a right to know how the ultimate punishment is being carried out in their name.

The legal challenge, brought by the Guardian, Associated Press and the three largest Missouri newspapers, calls on state judges to intervene to put a stop to the creeping secrecy that has taken hold in the state in common with many other death penalty jurisdictions. The lawsuit argues that under the first amendment of the US constitution the public has a right of access to know “the type, quality and source of drugs used by a state to execute an individual in the name of the people”.

It is believed to be the first time that the first amendment right of access has been used to challenge secrecy in the application of the death penalty.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
Ohio has developed a new protocol for executing prisoners

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e0b_1401131829
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 16, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
Why not force the condemned to free solo?

REALITY SHOW BLOCKBUSTER.

If they actually make it, they're free to tuck into Stardom Lite.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
Wow this is still going on. I thought by now, somebody would have solved it.

How about the Tralfamadorian take on things. Borrowed from another stupid thread.

“When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in bad condition in the particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is "So it goes.”
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 16, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
Is There a Humane Way to Kill?

Who cares?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
Sierra LR, I'll pass on overwatch's comment

Probably easier to be tralfamadorian when it isn't your family

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Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
Is There a Humane Way to Kill?

Absolutely not.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
other countries are not the usa
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 16, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
The legal challenge, brought by the Guardian, Associated Press and the three largest Missouri newspapers, calls on state judges to intervene to put a stop to the creeping secrecy that has taken hold in the state in common with many other death penalty jurisdictions. The lawsuit argues that under the first amendment of the US constitution the public has a right of access to know “the type, quality and source of drugs used by a state to execute an individual in the name of the people”.

The Guardian???

Not even an American newspaper!
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Do The Guardian and the other so-called newspapers really give a sheeit about the First Amendment or the fact that people are getting killed and others are getting killed for killing them. Or, is it how many more ads will they sell and what increase in readership will be if they can get ahold of more gory details.

Hypocrites.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 16, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
I think the ACLU has been advocating for disclosure of execution drugs, and probably more effectively advocating than the tabloids.

http://aclu-co.org/aclu-lawsuit-seeks-disclosure-of-execution-drugs-procedures/
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 16, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
I don't have an issue with the disclosure of drugs or procedures, but the disclosure of manufacturer is only so that they can be targeted.

Same concept with the identity of the executioner. Does the public have a right to know that?

Do they have the right to know the identities and home addresses of Seal Team 6?
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