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dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Nov 5, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
"So Dirt Claud says the US is not a democracy, but a Federal Republic."

I said that?
I think the Constitution says that. But being how you believe conservatives are liars and cheats I can see why you would think I made that up.

Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution states:

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”

This was not set up to be Democracy. The forefathers new that a democratic form of government would eventually fall. As they all have through out history.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,
where 51% of the people may take away
the rights of the other 49%." — Thomas Jefferson
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 5, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 5, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
The Basque people are interesting - there is a community of them in Bakersfield for some reason - haven't looked up why yet -

Riles,



dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Nov 5, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Man, those are some gorgeous places for sure. Would love to be able to climb it someday, but just to be there would be awesome.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Excellent pics upthread!

By SHELDON G. ADELSON

"When members of the Democratic Party booed the inclusion of God and Jerusalem in their party platform this year, I thought of my parents.

They would have been astounded.

The immigrant family in which I grew up was, in the matter of politics, typical of the Jews of Boston in the 1930s and '40s. Of the two major parties, the Democrats were in those days the more supportive of Jewish causes.

Indeed, only liberal politicians campaigned in our underprivileged neighborhood. Boston's Republicans, insofar as we knew them, were remote, wealthy elites ("Boston Brahmins"), some of whose fancy country clubs didn't accept Jews.

It therefore went without saying that we were Democrats. Like most Jews around the country, being Democrat was part of our identity, as much a feature of our collective personality as our religion.

So why did I leave the party?

My critics nowadays like to claim it's because I got wealthy or because I didn't want to pay taxes or because of some other conservative caricature. No, the truth is the Democratic Party has changed in ways that no longer fit with someone of my upbringing.

One obvious example is the party's new attitude toward Israel. A sobering Gallup poll from last March asked: "Are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?" Barely 53% of Democrats chose Israel, the sole liberal democracy in the region. By contrast, an overwhelming 78% of Republicans sympathized with Israel.

Nowhere was this change in Democratic sympathies more evident than in the chilling reaction on the floor of the Democratic convention in September when the question of Israel's capital came up for a vote. Anyone who witnessed the delegates' angry screaming and fist-shaking could see that far more is going on in the Democratic Party than mere opposition to citing Jerusalem in their platform. There is now a visceral anti-Israel movement among rank-and-file Democrats, a disturbing development that my parents' generation would not have ignored.

Another troubling change is that Democrats seem to have moved away from the immigrant values of my old neighborhood—in particular, individual charity and neighborliness. After studying tax data from the IRS, the nonpartisan Chronicle of Philanthropy recently reported that states that vote Republican are now far more generous to charities than those voting Democratic. In 2008, the seven least-generous states all voted for President Obama. My father, who kept a charity box for the poor in our house, would have frowned on this fact about modern Democrats.

Democrats would reply that taxation and government services are better vehicles for helping the underprivileged. And, yes, government certainly has its role. But when you look at states where Democrats have enjoyed years of one-party dominance—California, Illinois, New York—you find that their liberal policies simply don't deliver on their promises of social justice.

Take, for example, President Obama's adopted home state. In October, a nonpartisan study of Illinois's finances by the State Budget Crisis Task Force offered painful evidence that liberal Illinois is suffering from abject economic, demographic and social decline. With the worst credit rating in the country, and with the second-biggest public debt per capita, the Prairie State "has been doing back flips on a high wire, without a net," according to the report.

Political scientist Walter Russell Mead summed up the sad results of these findings at The American Interest: "Illinois politicians, including the present president of the United States, have wrecked one of the country's potentially most prosperous and dynamic states, condemned millions of poor children to substandard education, failed to maintain vital infrastructure, choked business development and growth through unsustainable tax and regulatory policies—and still failed to appease the demands of the public sector unions and fee-seeking Wall Street crony capitalists who make billions off the state's distress."

At times, it seems almost as if President Obama wants to impose the failed Illinois model on the whole country. Each year of his presidency has produced unsustainable deficits, and he takes no responsibility for his spending. Worse still, unemployment has become chronic, and many Americans have given up on looking for work.

Whenever President Obama deplores the wealthy ("fat-cat bankers," "millionaires and billionaires," "at a certain point you've made enough money," and so on), it tells me that he has failed to learn the economic lessons of Illinois, and that he still doesn't understand the vital role entrepreneurs play in creating jobs in our society.

As a person who has been able to rise from poverty to affluence, and who has created jobs and work benefits for tens of thousands of families, I feel obligated to speak up and support the American ideals I grew up with—charity, self-reliance, accountability. These are the age-old virtues that help make our communities prosperous. Yet, sadly, the Democratic Party no longer seems to value them as it once did. That's why I switched parties, and why I'm now giving amply to Republicans.

Although I don't agree with every Republican position—I'm liberal on several social issues—there is enough common cause with the party for me to know I've made the right choice.

It's the choice that, I believe, my old immigrant Jewish neighbors would have made. They would not have let a few disagreements with Republicans void the importance of siding with the political party that better supports liberal democracies like Israel, the party that better exemplifies the spirit of charity, and the party with economic policies that would certainly be better for those Americans now looking for work.

The Democratic Party just isn't what it used to be."

Sarah Silvermans take on the richest guy in Nevada for some background if you do not know who he is. http://scissorsheldon.com/
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 6, 2012 - 03:22am PT
Yep, I was thinking Temple Crag also. In the past, I have climbed in the Palisades a lot.


Dirt Claud, if I misinterpreted your post, apologies.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Nov 6, 2012 - 11:10am PT
No worries Pat, perhaps I'm just over reading stuff too.
Just wanted to make it clear that the Constitution said it, not me.
It would be good to start a thread on the Constitution to find out how much most of us "really" understand it. Me included of course.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 7, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Your average democrat is ecstatic at the repudiation of republican obstructionism on display in Obama's dominating performance in the swing states.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 7, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
Suck it Righties--you've been spanked again.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 7, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Your average democrat is ecstatic at the repudiation of republican obstructionism on display in Obama's dominating performance in the swing states.

Here's hoping that the far right realizes that obstructionism hurts the people.

Here in NH, it's almost sad that Charlie Bass lost. He was one of the last of his type. A moderate republican. Pro choice, pro environment.

Its a shame that the tea party has forced out the moderate republicans and conversely, the dems have forced out the blue dog democrats.

Those type of people are exactly who we need.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 7, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
The Basses are an eclectic crew by any measure. We used to party with them up at their lake compound when we lived in Francestown back in the mid-80s. Moderate Republicans aren't making a comeback anytime soon though and that's good for our party over the course of the next twenty years.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 8, 2012 - 05:48am PT
Dirt Claud, no prob, we all see things our own way at times.

I still think that the Electoral College should be given a kick into touch. It is an archaic "institution" IMO.

And I still think that the position of POTUS should be a one-term six-year deal.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 9, 2012 - 07:43am PT
I understand the idea behind the Electoral College, giving the smaller states a fair say, but it really should be about the popular vote. I believe a big rethink should be on the EC. It is not so much that I think that the ''fewer' should have an equal say than the 'greater', of course there must be some sort of balance. After all, as Dirt Claud pointed out, we are a Republic, a country made up of states.

The balance should focus on the individual states and the Federal Republic.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 9, 2012 - 09:07am PT
A down side of the electoral college is that the largest states--TX, NY, CA were ignored, except when campaigns needed $$$.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 9, 2012 - 09:25am PT
Suck it Righties--you've been spanked again.

While I'm relieved that Romney didn't make it to office, you have to admit - Obama signing an extension of the Patriot act, the NDAA, shutting down state medical Marijuana dispenseries that were legal (putting thousands of law-abiding citizens in jail for YEARS)... what the f*#k?!?


And when he ALMOST gets something useful done it gets killed by the senate (closing Gitmo, among hundreds of other things).


I'm happIER. Am I happy? F*#K no.






The election is over. I'm not trying to argue one side vs. another. I want to know if it is possible to have a conversation about what it is the President can actually do versus what he is doing, because he is doing some terrible things.... and NOT doing some pretty important ones.



And Mitt F*#king Romney was the spawn of satan and would have set our country back culturally and socially 20 years. Just in case you thought that was my 'angle.' I don't have one...
dirtbag

climber
Nov 9, 2012 - 09:45am PT
Good points GDavis.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 9, 2012 - 10:45am PT
they will post graphs comparing education to voting in attempts to paint one side as "uneducated". They will slander the opposition or any other opinions..

But that figure was initially presented by Glen Beck to indicate that universities are brain-washing people as liberal. That hardly sounds like coming together as one! The numbers are what the numbers are. Interpretations vary though. Some see some interpretations as divisive - others see them as a point of interest for other reasons.

Personally, I think the only thing that is divisive is the name calling and the absolutes (i.e., all democrats are....; all republicans are....). That is foolishness.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 9, 2012 - 10:54am PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 9, 2012 - 11:07am PT
Ron complained
Now THAT ^^^^^^^ is really quite accurate,,ive been labelled exactly as such on the other politard thread.


Only when your posts are racist, lies or hateful. Then you cry about how everyone calls you bad names.


Ron continued
There are some posters on this forum that will do ALL they can to continue the DIVIDED states of america.



Thank goodness you are not one of those people!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 9, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
Yep I do not understand why this has not been a bigger deal so far.

NDAA and the "PATRIOT" act are Fascist. Not in some tinfoil conspiracy whackjob way. It's the real deal.
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