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monolith
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albany,ca
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Move to Somalia, Chaz.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Remember, our rights are granted by God. Not the government.
your are joking now, surely
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Look it up.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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fear said Sigh... I can't argue anymore with low reading comprehension...
Fear your posts ARE incomprehensible. The first paragraph of your last big post was immediately contradicted by your second paragraph. You argue against gun control but then admit there should be gun control. You say that nothing could prevent another 9/11 so why bother trying and then describe the kind of airport security you think could stop another 9/11. You even unironically used the word "Sheeple." I made a pretty haughty post last night eviscerating each one of those things but deleted it because it just felt mean. Try proofreading your posts before you make them if you plan on people following any kind of logic in them.
Chaz twisted That doesn't sound like a "free State" to me. That's a totalitarian approach to government.
Thanks for your post, Chaz. Always good to know how the "any form of government that doesn't allow me to do whatever I what whenever I want is totalitarian" wing of the Republican party is alive and kicking. We never hear from you guys.
Chaz continued Remember, our rights are granted by God. Not the government.
Granted by god...just protected by government. I don't remember Jesus personally winning any battles in 1777 or holding any little girl's hands while they desegregated schools in the 60's.
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jstan
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Chaz:
You might consider relocating to Somalia. Whatever way this election goes we will have rampant communism here in the US. The 2008 disaster set that in motion. Better get out while you can. Load up on ammo here though.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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bottled water also
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Remember, our rights are granted by God. Not the government.
Which god? Thor? Moloch? The white guy in the sky with the beard?
If this is so, why doesn't he enforce any of the laws?
As for gun control, we will have it sooner or later because these psychos aren't going away and the public will tire of the gun wanker spiel justifying the easy acquisition of weapons most in the public have no desire to own.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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If this is so, why doesn't he enforce any of the laws?
god does not concern herself with everyday human life, better things to do
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Or just maybe the whole idea is bunk?
Nah... couldn't admit that. It would mean no more fairy tale justifications for irresponsible and bizarre behavior.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
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Yeah, you're right, Ron. Humans are inherently evil...always will be.
We should therefore make no efforts whatsoever to improve our society. Just bunker in with yer gunz & ammo, and wait for the zombies...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If Jefferson ( a Diest ) was correct when he wrote "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", then you can't say your rights were given to you by the government.
Just the opposite. The government takes away your rights.
Remember the rights you once had that you don't have anymore? Who do you think took away those rights from you? God? Or the government?
Americans have more liberty than other countries not because of anything God did, but because of the successes the American people have had at preventing our rights from being infringed.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Remember the rights you once had that you don't have anymore?
care to name a number of these rights I once had and now have lost?
not doubting you, just can't remember
thanks
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Chaz quoted If Jefferson ( a Diest ) was correct when he wrote "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", then you can't say your rights were given to you by the government.
Interesting that Jefferson then helped create and went on to be President of a government established by a Constitution that, by your definition, exists only to "take away your rights." He also failed to mention that the rights in the Constitution came from god when he helped draft both the Constitution AND the subsequent Bill of Rights.
Just the opposite. The government takes away your rights.
That's some interesting binary thinking but it fails to meet the test of reality. Your argument is I suppose that slave owner's rights were trampled upon when slaves were freed? That the right of men to control the country was shat upon when women were granted the right to vote? That heterosexuals will have their rights smitten when homosexuals can marry?
Remember the rights you once had that you don't have anymore? Who do you think took away those rights from you? God? Or the government?
Which rights exactly? I have a lot of rights now that I didn't 20 years ago, and I'm missing some others that I had. I didn't used to have the right to have health insurance but now I do. I didn't used to have the right to appeal absurd increases in my credit card rates but now I do. I didn't used to have the right to go 75 mph on the US 40 but now I do. I didn't used to have the right to be gay and be in the military but now I do. I don't remember Jesus dropping the hammer and insisting that these things happen, they were acts of government to alter other acts of government that was put in place by citizens who voted for them.
Why are you so eager to play victim, Chaz? Why always with the belly aching and the "poor me" routine?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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"you also have the right to make ABSURD court cases winning millions over some hot coffee."
Betcha don't know the REAL story around that case....
Betcha only know the FauxNews/interwebz version...
Betcha you'd feel differently if you knew the REAL story...
Betcha don't care because it won't fit your narrative and die-cast narrow view...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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You know, the country of Belize, just south of Mexico, has a pretty large group of Americans who moved there.
They say they did so to get away from the tyranny of the US government.
Plenty of room there for some folks to come on down.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
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"You BETcha i dont care about the real story of someone spilling hot coffee on them and suing for megabucks... "
Yep, I know. You don't CARE about FACTS or REALITY.
You vote Republican.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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Just curious, Ron...when you make clear statements like:
*You don't care about facts
*You think all Sikhs are rude convenience store owners
*You think Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to the US
*Your spelling, grammar & sentence structure is ~3rd grade
Are you REALLY surprised many regard you as a brainless hillbilly Republican?
I'm not calling you that, BTW....I know the truth to be somewhat different...just wondering if many people's perception of you is a surprise to you.
Edit: Wait...I answered my own question a minute ago, didn't I?
YOU DON'T CARE.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Ron, heads up: don't be betting that you know the McDonalds story (millions payed for hot coffee) or you'll be paying Apogee some $$$ LOL
Oppps, EDIT!! sorry Apogee, I just screwed with your chance to make a buck off of ignorance. My bad. Beers on me if we ever meet. Sorry. OK, THAT IS ALL, BACK TO ARGUING!!!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron griped you also have the right to make ABSURD court cases winning millions over some hot coffee.
Just like you have the right to make products that repeatedly hurt people and then try to not take responsibility for the damage they've done.
(Did you know that most people never collect the punitive damage totals originally awarded in jury cases because they are later reduced by judges but never reported in the media so that people like you run around screaming about them all the time? TMYK!)
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couchmaster
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pdx
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I already said that HDesert. Maybe I need to go bump the clash thread now?
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