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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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Question for you pro-gun types...
Do you know who this person is, or why he was significant?
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Jul 21, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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Condolences to the victims.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jul 21, 2012 - 12:49am PT
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Your point was apparent in the beginning.
My point is this. The guy was covered in body armor. You shoot at him and he comes over and explicitly kills your wife and children; leaving you to face the accolades.
Your gonna shoot at the guy in a theater full of smoke and screaming, fleeing people? Your license doesn't qualify you.
You think because you have been hanging around LEO personnel for 28 years that qualifies you?
Where's your cape?
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2012 - 12:54am PT
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apogee,
Fair enough. Let it go where it goes, as it always does.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 01:42am PT
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The guy was covered in body armor. You shoot at him and he comes over and explicitly kills your wife and children
Maybe if you only had a single shot pistol. Hahaha!
Me personally. I would dump an entire 15 round mag into the guys head
and at 20 yards or less I would probably hit him 80 to 90% of the time.
(others on this site I know would do even better)
I don't care what body armor you have, that is gonna suck,
and if you are still alive you will be trying to get away ASAP.
Then I'm gonna load my second 15 round mag.
If I'm there all alone at the theater, without friends or family, then I'd probably just hide and let you all get shot. ;)
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:05am PT
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Shack, I never go to the movies, is I safe?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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LOVE
Perspective
From someone else
By Mike Johnston
On Friday, 4 million Coloradans went to work and played football in their front yard; strangers opened doors for each other; people gave blood, offered shelter, served hot meals, held grandkids, played pick-up basketball and committed unnumbered acts of kindness and gentleness. One Coloradan dressed up like a villain and believed that by showing up at the site of America’s mythical hero he could slay our actual heroes.
It’s true there was no Batman sitting in the theater to fly down and tackle James Holmes, as he hoped there might be. He had tactical assault gear covering his whole body, ready for America to fight back.
But love is more organized than that. Love has cellphones and ambulances, nurses and doctors, complete strangers and policemen and emergency responders always at the ready. Love has nurses who will jump out of bed in the middle of the night and get family members to watch their children so they can rush to the hospital and save the life of someone they’ve never met. Love has first responders who will walk into a booby-trapped building to save the lives of neighbors they will never meet.
It must be lonely being James Holmes, spending the first part of your life planning alone for an act that will leave you sitting alone for the rest of your life. For the rest of us, life is crowded. Love is always only three numbers and one movie seat away.
We have lived our country’s history as a chapter of wars, and many of those wars we have been blessed to win. We are a team that loves each other and will fight for each other, and if you punch us in the mouth, we will fight back.
That is one of our obvious strengths, but it is not our greatest strength. America’s awesome strength to fight is overwhelmed by its irrepressible strength to love. James Holmes took 12 lives Friday. Love saved 58 lives. Policemen on the scene in minutes, strangers carrying strangers, nurses and doctors activated all over the city.
But we didn’t stop there. Love saved the 700 other people who walked out of the Aurora movie theater unhurt.
But we didn’t stop there. Love saved the 5,000 who went to see Batman all over Colorado, and the 1.2 million who saw it all over the country, who walked in and out safely with their friends, arm in arm.
But we didn’t stop there. Love claimed the 4 million other Coloradans who went to bed peacefully last night, and who woke up this morning committed to loving each other a little deeper.
The awe of last night is not that a man full of hate can take 12 people’s lives; it is that a nation full of love can save 300 million lives every day.
I sat this morning wondering what I could do to help: give blood, support victims, raise money, stop violence. How could we start to fight back?
My friends were texting me that they had plans to take their kids to Batman tonight but were now afraid to go. Others who were going to play pick-up basketball or go out to dinner were now afraid to leave home. They thought they would bunker down in their home and wonder, “How do we fight back?”
The answer is we love back. We live back. We deepen our commitments to all the unnumbered acts of kindness that make America an unrendable fabric. We respond by showing that we will play harder, and longer. We will serve more meals, play more games, eat more food, listen to more jazz, go to more movies, give more hugs, and say more “thank yous” and “I love yous” than ever before.
So while James Holmes settles into the cell where he will spend the rest of his life, wondering what we will do to fight back, we will love back. We will go to a park this afternoon and play soccer, we will go to the playground and restaurants and movie theaters of our city all weekend and all year.
He should know not only that he failed in his demented attempt to be the villain, but that Batman didn’t have to leap off the screen to stop him, because we had a far more organized and powerful force than any superhero could ever have. Even the twelve lives that he took, this nation will love so strongly and so deeply that we will ensure they get a lifetime full of love out of a life he tried to cut short.
And the 59 lives we took back will be so overrun with love that they will live their lives feeling blessed every day, and everyone who ever meets them will pass on in an instant a love they never knew they earned but we will never let them forget.
In a movie theater in Aurora 50 years from now, one of last night’s survivors will be waiting in the popcorn line and mention that he was in Theater 9 on that terrible summer night in 2012. And inexplicably, with an armful of popcorn, a total stranger will reach out and give that old man a huge hug and say, “I’m so glad you made it.”
Love back. We’ve already won.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:14am PT
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Shack, I never go to the movies, is I safe?
I don't go either, but you are always safe....until you aren't.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:48am PT
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Likely he is trying to set himself up for an insanity plea. His efforts to protect himself and his peaceable surrender both suggest he intends to live and for that matter walk.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:54am PT
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And the forum does it again...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
It's not so much the gun control issue as much as people carrying their political axes to the funeral.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 21, 2012 - 07:31am PT
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It is really sad, predictable but sad, that this has become a thread about gun rights and packin' heat.
There are a lot of dead and wounded who probably don't give a damn about what you stuff in your sock to feel safe. And I bet they couldn't care less what YOU think YOU would have done if only YOU were there. YOU do remember that there were children involved in the horrible incident.
I am not going to argue your right, percieved or otherwise, to bear arms or arm bears or pack a personal RPG. But this earlier statement by Cragman If you are someone that has the mindset that you can solve your problems with a weapon, you will never be allowed to carry one. really caught my attention for the absurdity inherent in it.
Did this crazyassedmotherf*#ker have a right?
The gunman was armed with an AR-15 assault rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and a Glock .40 calibre handgun, Oates said.
Police found an additional Glock .40 calibre handgun in his car, parked just outside the theater's rear emergency exit, Oates said.
He was dressed entirely in black with a gas mask, ballistic helmet, tactical ballistic vest, throat guard, leggings and crotch guard, Oates said, adding that Holmes had purchased the weapons legally at three local gun stores in the last 60 days and had bought 6,000 rounds of ammunition.
Condolences to all involved.
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kennyt
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Woodfords,California
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Jul 21, 2012 - 11:31am PT
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Anyone Who lives in a town like June lake and feels the need to carry a weapon is just plain paranoid.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jul 21, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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i did'nt know that california has the most strict law's outta the whole country when it comes to purchase a gun. what a sad day for the coloradoans.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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Riley nails it.
Next thread!
Edit:
Any of the pro-gun contingent know who this is, or what his historic significance was?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jul 21, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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His mother's simple response that yeah they got the right person is a little baffling. Also what makes a lawyer want to defend such a crime?
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Police chief: Suspect bought over 6,000 rounds of ammunition through Internet
By Thom Patterson, CNN
updated 11:37 AM EDT, Sat July 21, 2012
(CNN) -- Authorities in the Colorado movie theater massacre found an AR-15 rifle drum magazine Friday capable of carrying 100 rounds, and the police chief said thousands of rounds of ammunition for various weapons had been bought online in the weeks prior to the shooting.
Holmes had purchased four guns at "local metro gun shops," and bought over 6,000 rounds of ammunition through online transactions.
The receipt showed that Holmes bought an $106.99 Blackhawk urban assault vest, a $52.99 Blackhawk Omega Elite triple pistol magazine, a $52.99 Blackhawk Omega Elite M16 magazine pouch, and a $77.99 Blackhawk Be-Wharned silver knife.
Purchasing a 100-round magazine for an AR-15 is unusual, weapons experts said. The AR-15 is designed for easy reloading. "Even without the grand-sized mags, many people who are practiced can reload in 1½ to 2 seconds,"
In a theater scenario, he said, "so many people's heads are lined up next to each other that if you fire down these rows of people ... one blast is going to kill or seriously injure 10 or 15 people, depending on a number of variables."
An AR-15 nonmilitary model, Howard said, shoots one bullet at a time and that bullet "may go through two people."
Aurora Police Chief Oates said Friday night that investigators had determined the suspect bought more than 3,000 rounds of ammunition for the rifle.
Oates said the suspect had purchased 300 rounds for the shotgun.
Oates said some 3,000 rounds of ammunition for the two Glocks had been bought through online purchases.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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And this is a good thing, huh?
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jul 21, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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Really I guess Japan never attacked Hawaii, or Alaska. We never sank Germany submarines in the gulf of Mexico or off the east coast.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 21, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
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"Any of the pro-gun contingent know who this is, or what his historic significance was?"
My Uncle used to shoot with him in Big Bear.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jul 21, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
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Short memory -- Alaska 1942.
If you think Japan or Germany or anyone did''t invade because civilians had or have guns you are self deluded.
You great American heros. You would have stop this. How sick is that. How self centered & selfish.
That's to much--- Daniel Boone died fighting for slavery, against the Mexican Gov. that had invited American to live in texas. They where given land for free -- but that was not good enough they wanted slave & where willing to murder for that right.
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