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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:33pm PT
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FWIW, the site is quite some distance away from "ground zero" (two long Manhattan blocks, I saw somewhere), and is clearly supported by public opinion. It seems that some believe that anywhere in Manhattan is "too close", and that people or politicians from outside New York should be able to impose a decision.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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and is supported by public opinion
link?
Why will they not divulge who is funding it?
Why did the Imam have different titles for his book in Indonesia and the English version here (much different title)?
Why does the media not probe this?
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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You have to wonder why they are insistent on going against public opinion....
Because public opinios are not what drives people of faith. Do you conform your religious beliefs to the latest Gallup Poll?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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No Gene, but this isn't a mosque, right? It's a "cultural" center to "promote tolerance and understanding", right?
It's all bullshit!
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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it seems some are confused as to the WIDE reaching effects of 911 in the fact that the people who were murdered were from across the US. It was an attack against the US not simply new york...
Please extend/continue that thought.........
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:41pm PT
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Bluey and Ron,
Just what are you afraid of? Please let me know. I'm kinda slow on these things and I haven't a clue about what bothers you. Please be specific and use easily understandable words. I just don't get it. Help a poor bro. Thanks.
Gene
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:41pm PT
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4332-gov-christie-warns-republicans-over-ground-zero-mosque-flak
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, considered a rising star and possible presidential contender in the Republican Party, is advising Republicans to back away from their heated opposition to a Muslim center two blocks from New York's "Ground Zero." Christie has called on both parties to stop making the issue a "political football."
The first-term New Jersey governor said Monday that politicians, both locally and nationally, may be overreacting to the planned construction of an Islamic cultural center just two blocks form the remains of the World Trade Center towers that were leveled by the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. He warned that many Republicans appear to be painting "all of Islam" with a broad brush, equating Islam with radical, militant anti-American extremists.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
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That is so like a republican! What a bunch of bullshit!!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
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Bluering, Ron, Radical, Bertrand......you must be TERRIBLY embarrassed and put off by what our culture has done.......
American Society of Friends memorial community center built in Hiroshima:
http://peace.maripo.com/x_japan_hiroshima.htm
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Memorial Cathedral for World Peace, 4-42 Nobori-cho, Naka-ku, Hiroshima (Japan). Built in 1954 on the initiative of German Jesuit Hugo Enomiya-Lassalle [1898-1990], who witnessed the the atomic bomb in 1945. One of the largest Roman Catholic churches in Asia. Many countries contributed to the cost of construction. Four bells in the 150ft / 46m tower were presented by the German town of Bochum, the organ by Cologne. and the bronze doors by Düsseldorf. The altar was presented by Belgium.
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Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum
In 1981, the late Pope John Paul ll visited here to make “Peace Appeal”. To commemorate his visit, this monument was erected. A part of his “Peace Appeal” is inscribed.
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World Friendship Center (WFC), 8-10 Higashi Kan-on, Nishi-ku, Hiroshima (Japan). Founded on 20th anniversary of the bomb by American Barbara Leonard Reynolds [1915-1990] who also founded the Peace Resources Center (PRC) at Wilmington College of Ohio (USA) in 1975. "Not only a 'home away from home' for travelers to Hiroshima, it is a place where local Hiroshima residents volunteer their hospitality of peace in a variety of activities." Supported by Brethren Volunteer Service (BVS) & by the American Committee of the WFC, currently chaired by Mary Ann Albert of Warsaw, Indiana (USA).
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Peace Cairn, Hiroshima (Japan). Made of stone from Ben Nevis (Scotland). Donated by the cities of Dudley (England) & Fort William (Scotland).
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"Reconcilation," International Conference Center Hiroshima, Peace Memorial Park, Hiroshima (Japan). Statue by Josefina de Vasconcellos [1905-2005]. One of four copies of an original statue at University of Bradford (England).
International Peace Garden, Peace Memorial Park, Hiroshima (Japan). Near the Peace Bell. One of many International Peace Gardens in different countries. Presented to Hiroshima by The Hague (Netherlands).
Norman Cousins Monument, in front of Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, Hiroshima (Japan). Honors achievements of Norman Cousins [1915-1990], "including promotion of the moral adoption project for A-bomb & war orphans, his efforts in helping female A-bomb survivors receive keloid treatment in the US, & his continued appeal for elimination of nuclear weapons."
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Les Portes de la Paix / Gates of Peace, Peace Boulevard (opposite Peace Memorial Museum), Hiroshma (Japan). Ten gates representing the 9 circles of Hell in Dante's Inferno, plus Hiroshima. By French artist Clara Halter.
"Tiles painted in Berkeley, California, for inclusion in a World Wall for Peace (WWFP) in Hiroshima...are currently on display in the International Room of the Hiroshima Museum [sic], and are awaiting a site where they can be permanently installed."
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Barbara Reynolds Monument, Peace Memorial Park, Hiroshima (Japan). Proposed to be adjacent to the Norman Cousins and Marcel Junod monuments (seen at left in image). Proposed inscription: "I, too, am a Hibakusha. Hibakushas, that is the start of my peacemaking and everything. My heart is always with Hiroshima. I pray that humankind will hear and that their hearts may be moved to renounce war and preparations for war forever." Barbara Leonard Reynolds [1915-1990] founded the World Friendship Center (WFC) in Hiroshima and the Peace Resource Centter (PRC) in Wilmington, Ohio (USA).
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:54pm PT
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a call to prayer from the world trade rubble: islamic dawa from the heart of america, post 9/11. Muslim version of the Imam's book.
What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America
English version title
Why have such different titles?
Gene, I fear a certain brand of Islam that refers to Christians as infidels getting a foothold in this country. A brand of Islam that removes a woman's clitoris because they feel she should no feel sexual pleasure.
THAT is un-American. I don't refer to muslim friends as inferior or infidels. I have respect for them because they're quite decent people. But they is a nasty brand out there (usually funded by Saudis) that cannot be allowed here. We already have enough fundamentalism here already. The crazy Christians, the wahabbiests, etc...
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Bertrand
climber
California
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Aug 17, 2010 - 07:59pm PT
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The above analogies don't hold water.
A decent analogy is: would it be ok to build a Catholic Church a few blocks from the Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta?
If you are opposed to a mosque a few blocks from ground zero, then you must oppose a Catholic church near another terror attack from a nutjob from that religion.... right??
That is a terrible analogy, Fet. Magnitude of destruction and death is one thing that comes to mind. 9/11 changed everything and, as Gene points exemplifies, even has Americans considering that we deserved to be attacked. Nailbomb attacks at the '98 Olympics are insignificant in comparison.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:01pm PT
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Here is the problem with the A Bomb analogy.
The American military, under orders of the American President, dropped the bomb.
The analogy that you are proposing would require that an emissary of Osama bin Laden was building the center. That is the implicit assumption that the A bomb analogy assumes, wrongly.
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
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Gene, I fear a certain brand of Islam that refers to Christians as infidels getting a foothold in this country.
Then you are barking up the wrong tree, Bro. Suspend belief for a moment or two and let's jump ahead three or four years to just after the opening of the Cordova Center. You gotta believe that the NYPD, CIA, NSA, JDL, and MLB will have that building wired 15 days to Sabbath with mikes, cameras, retina ID gear, etc. Think maybe?
Re: certain brand of Islam that refers to Christians as infidels getting a foothold in this country.... What better way than give the Big Finger to those who may, just may, want to be inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in?
If the purpose of the Cordova Center is to support radical Islam, I suggest that American intolerance has helped that plan succeed.
For the paronoid out there who may read this, remember: Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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Gene, I fear a certain brand of Islam that refers to Christians as infidels getting a foothold in this country. A brand of Islam that removes a woman's clitoris because they feel she should no feel sexual pleasure.
THAT is un-American. I don't refer to muslim friends as inferior or infidels.......
NOW WE'RE GETTING TO IT! Fear
But you DO refer to non-friends that you don't know, with all sorts of vile names and accusations. Is the problem with the muslims, or is the problem with you??
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Bertrand
climber
California
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
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He's got company about "bringing 9/11 onto ourselves."
Not amongst respectable grown ups.
Sure there are plenty of coffee-shop fukwits out there who think that the more self-loathe they generate toward America's unique place in the world, the purer their souls get, along with all other kinds of America-sucks bullshiz. Luckily most people who still think that way are under 18 and have more time to learn about the world before coming of voting age.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
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Oh please, Ken, I was using his term.
and;
But you DO refer to non-friends that you don't know, with all sorts of vile names and accusations. Is the problem with the muslims, or is the problem with you??
That's beacause I judge people on their merits. Many Muslims I know are cool. Radical commie libs, not so much.
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 17, 2010 - 08:10pm PT
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He's got company about "bringing 9/11 onto ourselves.
Sorry. I neglected to post the Jerry Falwell view on the reason for 9/11.
My bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK_hYsCkDH4
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EDIT: Not amongst respectable grown ups.
We agree!!!!
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