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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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I'm not defending the Donald, but the New Yorker is hardly neutral.
I'm not so sure your example demonstrates that, if one agrees that a President should be accountable for their actions.
I'm reminded of what I learned in the case of Sam Donaldson, a reporter at the White House during and after Nixon. He was a bulldog, asking relentless questions, and being somewhat obnoxious. It was clear that he was a Democrat, doing the business of his party.
years later, he was a regular panelist on "This Week", and I was a regular watcher. One week, he did not appear, due to a conflict. He had one of his best friends appear in his place.............Rush Limbaugh. I couldn't believe it. All those years, he was just doing his job, it didn't matter to which party the President belonged
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Heyzeus
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Hollywood,Ca
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Nixon didn't have the Russians helping him throw the election
I thought it was recently revealed that Nixon did something similar. He worked behind the scenes with the S. Vietnamese government to mess up Johnson's peace talks in '68 to sway the election, and it worked. Johnson had the goods on him but didn't come out with it.
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Mighty Hiker
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Outside the Asylum
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Let's just say that the New Yorker knows Donald Trump better than us, having had to put up with him for 40 years.
A main difference between Nixon and Trump is that Nixon was a professional politician, as were most of his aides and appointees. They were competent, however sleazy, and well knew that what they were doing was unconstitutional. Trump and many of his circle don't know right from wrong, or legal from illegal.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Trump and many of his circle don't know right from wrong, or legal from illegal.
Exactly, they're a bunch of crooks. You just can't engage in a constructive rational dialog with people like that. We've seen signs in Fire and Fury that they're capable of falling out (like thieves have a habit of doing) and going after each other. Such traits are to be strongly encouraged.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2018 - 02:42am PT
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John, I was referring to how conservative students feel on campuses. From what I have read (and seen a video on the BBC interviewing conservative students), they feel ostracized. But then it just may be a small minority making a loud noise, I do not know.
As far as Trump is concerned, I read all sorts of media, left, right and center.
And yes, the New Yorker is not neutral, I get their email feeds. But in my opinion, their articles make more sense than Trump does.
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Perhaps I should not have written that Dwain/Cosmic bugs me, not so much as he is a little immature brat but he bugs me in the way that one gets annoyed by stepping in dog sh#t. Ewww.
That reminds me of an old saying (actually I just made it up): A wise man knows where his next step is… and it is not in dog poo.
Call me an idiot, because I have stepped in dog feces more than once. Ewww
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2018 - 04:56am PT
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"go forth in love and peace — be kind to dogs — and vote Democratic". Tom Eagleton
I like the dogs bit.
I do not mind making a fool of myself on this forum, I certainly have done it enough. Despite my grievances with life, I am quite happy. I wish Jennie was back in my life, but dementia is dementia though I will find way to fight that dreadful condition, but as my landlord says: "You are comfortable Patrick, are you not?"
Yes I am. I struggle like most, I chase my financial tail like most, but I do count my blessings. I think of all those less fortunate, and I reflect.
The Taco Stand is perhaps the only (okay HYS on BBC football forum, I occasionally dip my toe in) forum I express myself in on a 'regular' basis. I find that most Supertopians are interesting people to engage with.
I wish I could climb more, I see some of the TRs, especially Jim's (Donini) and I wonder, what the hell am I doing in a place with no climbing, sort of like Cleveland, Roger, hah hah (at least you have my mom's West Virginia next to you). But I am where I am. Once one novel sells, the rest will fall like dominoes, and then I am in the money. Not.
I like you all, with some exceptions, may the Taco Stand… stand.
There is some rock in Wexford, I think the geologists have found it.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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John, I was referring to how conservative students feel on campuses. From what I have read (and seen a video on the BBC interviewing conservative students), they feel ostracized.
Of course they feel ostracized. Nobody can stand those little brown-nosing Young Republicans
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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So I gather you mean the present situation is "not as bad as Nixon"
I will answer this as well. 1972 was the first time I voted.
I think the situation today is worse than it was during the nixon presidency.
At least nixon wasn't screwing over the country like trump is.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2018 - 07:50am PT
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Gary, I was wondering about students like my nephew, not some privileged brats. My nephew Benjamin is privileged, in that he was diagnosed severely dyslectic at six, "never to be able to read" so Mac and Kathleen were told, but Kathleen took on the Napa school district and got them to change. Kudos to her.
He did two tours in Afghanistan with the Marines (under fire, fact), and he is now a junior in civil engineering at UC Davis. Married very happily with his high school sweetheart with two kids (Millie and Bruce) . But Kathleen (who is a diehard Trumpite, sigh, but she is my sister in life) she says Benjamin feels a bit of an outsider at Davis, being a conservative, and BTW he is not really a conservative he is very open minded, he just sorts of leans to the right. And I love him.
My point is, colleges and universities should be about open minds. Sigh…
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And I have asked him, what was Afghanistan like? He said it was horrible and that he never did anything wrong, he was just there. So, I trust him, I trust he did not pee on Taliban corpses, he is a good kid, he would not be swayed by his "comrades in arms".
Why do we ask our children (well, I have none, I think) to go to war? WW2 was worthwhile, in the scheme of things. But now?
Despite my learning, education and experience, I still scratch my head.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Comparing Presidents Trump and Nixon is hysterical in the literal sense. Give me a break. Might as well compare Presidents Obama and Washington.
DMT
Really DMT?
There is plenty that is completely different including the norms of the day.
But what is so hysterical about comparing Archibald Cox with Mueller, the investigation of possible coverup/obstruction, and the possibility of impeachment (or resignation because of)? And how the checks and balances for which this country is so famous actually work or not?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"Their approach is to belittle him, demean him, and sneer at him with virtually nothing unbiased appearing in print."
"I'm not defending the Donald, but the New Yorker is hardly neutral. "
A completely neutral position would be to add up the following by trump:
Total number of lies told by trump.
Total false claims of fake news ( a term that accurately refers 90% to quacks like trump).
Total of False promises by trump.
Total False credit & praises for himself.
Total Idiotic insults told by trump.
Total number of times his own people have admitted he is unqualified or incompetent.
Total acts of fraud, non-payment, and declarations of bankruptcy.
Total associations with major criminals.
Total number of lawsuits against and by trump, and number lost or settled.
Total Days spent golfing and twitting by trump.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Assange played a role in helping get trump elected. He shares trump's disease of malignant narcissism. I would not expect any effort by him to help improve government, except incidentally.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Assange is about to get shown the door, and the moment he does, I have the feeling he's going to disappear from the radar for a long, long, while. Who gets to him first is the question.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Thanks Hapi for the article...Geeze Loueeze....
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Bannon is out at Breitbart.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Speaking of, I think my snake just ate a rat!
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Stay tuned for more incidents of cannibalism to come. No honor among thieves.
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