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Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:35am PT
As I interpret this, some press members were denied entry to an invitation-only press event.

An "invitation only" press event is antithetical to the First Amendment. This is what needs to be focused on.

Curt
dirtbag

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:37am PT
Sure, and trump is also free to never say a damned thing to the press ever. But, for the American people, that would not be desirable. Not is shutting out news sources that write stories which are critical of him. It's intimidating, sending a message to outlets that they'd better be good little sheep or else they get cut out from stories.

F*#k that. He clearly views the press as an enemy. If you want to find out what's going on you need a vibrant press.






feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:39am PT
It was my understanding that almost all government press events are in fact invitation only. The student news papers, the radical right or left, and the community newsletter reporter are not generally given invitations nor admitted.

You might want to review the protocols for press conferences. Failure to issue an invitation or grant general admission to any press conference in no way violates First Amendment Rights.

ff
dirtbag

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:40am PT
Times and CNN were targeted because they wrote some very probing articles.


You're ignoring his repeated "enemy of the American people" rants he and Bannon have spewed.


feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:43am PT
But dirtbag, weren't many press representatives present at this conference? That is hardly the same as not speaking to the press. And doesn't Trump post on social media?
I doubt that any press will be intimidated by not being invited: I think most press people are able to find ways to express themselves and their opinions, slanted or not. I give you the linked site from Crankster as an example. I imagine they have a significant following.
ff
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:43am PT
It was my understanding that almost all government press events are in fact invitation only. The student news papers, the radical right or left, and the community newsletter reporter are not generally given invitations nor admitted.

You are being exceptionally disingenuous by trying to make this sound like it's the same thing. It is not.

Curt
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:45am PT
ferfalae...Yes and the supreme court has ruled that Corporations are people...
dirtbag

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:48am PT
But dirtbag, weren't many press representatives present at this conference? That is hardly the same as not speaking to the press. And doesn't Trump post on social media?
I doubt that any press will be intimidated by not being invited: I think most press people are able to find ways to express themselves and their opinions, slanted or not. I give you the linked site from Crankster as an example. I imagine they have a significant following.
ff

Is this a serious question?
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:52am PT
No, I am not ignoring those stupid and vicious statements: I mentioned them. Any statement (including this one) that tars everyone with the same brush is a stupid statement. There is nothing that all-inclusive. Trump was lashing out in his usual fashion, making sweeping statements without solid grounding, from his reactive emotional state. Both sides are doing this. It doesn't make either side right.

If I were inviting people to a press conference of mine (yes, I've held a few) I'd probably not invite the press representatives of the KKK or the far right, nor those of the far left. I'd try to invite the least biased and most accurate reporters I could find. If reporters had been disruptive, rude, or pontificating at a prior press conference, I might not invite them. If they were critical, editorializing rather than reporting, I might not invite them. If I considered them to be inimical in their reporting, I might not invite them.

ff
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:57am PT
Rotting Johnny, the SCOTUS also ruled that slavery was legal. that still did not make it moral or right.

What's your point?
ff
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:57am PT
...least biased and most accurate reporters I could find...

Good luck with that. Unfortunately the most accurate and least biased reporters are likely forced to choose other careers.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:58am PT
Yes, dirtbag, those were serious and simple questions, requiring only a simple yes or no answer.

ff
WBraun

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 07:21am PT
Unfortunately, the most accurate and least biased reporters are likely forced to choose other careers.

Some mysteriously disappear to suffer car accident, plane crash, suicide or cardiac although they were perfectly healthy.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:18am PT
If you just read one major national newspaper (NYT / WSJ / etc) and add in one foreign source (BBC / Economist) you will be far more informed than the mouth breathers who spend their days watching "experts" yell at each other on TV or listening to bottom feeder radio hosts.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2017 - 10:02am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2017 - 10:48am PT
I guess Fruity was wrong
Even Trump's people won't call it Radical Islamic Terrorism

The Guardian reports:

A participant, paraphrasing McMaster, said: “He said he doesn’t want to call it radical Islamic terrorism because the terrorists are, quote, ‘un-Islamic’.”

McMaster, the participant said, indicated that the phrase castigates “an entire religion” and “he’s not on board”.

At the meeting, multiple sources said, McMaster discomfited White House staffers who view the terrorist threat in those religious terms and who were said to have exchanged awkward looks with each other.

A participant, paraphrasing McMaster, said: “He said he doesn’t want to call it radical Islamic terrorism because the terrorists are, quote, ‘un-Islamic’.”

McMaster, the participant said, indicated that the phrase castigates “an entire religion” and “he’s not on board”.

At the meeting, multiple sources said, McMaster discomfited White House staffers who view the terrorist threat in those religious terms and who were said to have exchanged awkward looks with each other.

According to fruity, we lost because we didn't use those exact words.
I say he's delusional, no American Leader should call it Radical Islamic Terrorism useless you want to be called out as WRONG.
We did not lose for being wrong.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 27, 2017 - 11:00am PT
Sure msm has biases and is controlled by big money.

It's pretty ridiculous that in this day and age where you have numerous media sources at your fingers with the Internet, where you can double check anything, that the right wing echo chamber is all up in arms about MSM bias. If you have any critical thinking skills you can analyze what you're reading and see the bias and fact check it, they want to act like all of us are too dumb to get it. But what's so funny is they are so full of easily proven lies they are the least trustworthy sources around.

Of course going back to what I said earlier the self deluded allow themselves to see what they need to see.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2017 - 11:02am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2017 - 11:09am PT
He's delusional to think that it had some effect on the 2016 election

I don't care what you call it, but to say you have to call it those exact words is wrong

I like the words "Right Wing Extremist Terrorism"
so it includes all terrorism carried out by right wingers no matter what their religious may be.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 27, 2017 - 01:04pm PT
I like the words "Right Wing Extremist Terrorism"

There's still three unnecessary words in there. Terrorism. We do however need to be much more selective about what and who we call terrorists. It's all too convenient to label all our enemies as simply terrorists.

Those Bowling Green "terrorists" were anything but. Any terrorist believing they had secured a stinger missile within the US would go straight to JFK/LAX and take out the first 747 they see. A thousand times more terror than shooting down a US helicopter over Iraqi soil.

TE
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