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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
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Who knows what a guy like Trump would do with that data if he set his mind to it.
Healyje would say, more hyperbole.
The Writs of Assistance were around before the 4 th Amendment and they seem to get equal footing to any other challenge.
Base 104 so you have stated having no choice in your death is not a problem for you and do you think such an assertion should therefore now be universal? Talk about narcissism.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 22, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
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A lot of you have a vastly inflated perception of the importance of you
and yer data, especially in comparison with the worth of yer fellow citizens'
lives. Yeah, those phone numbers and selfies are really important.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
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Perhaps they are like me - not so much concerned about my own self, but for those like a Martin Luther King or a Margaret Sanger; someone who puts themselves out there as an activist for change - change that some people don't want to see happening.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 04:49pm PT
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you cowards: I would jump in a frozen lake to save a stranger but I would shed no tears for being a broken man with a stolen cell phone.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
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Happiergrrl2,
there are plenty of other encryption devices out there for activists to use. Some would call Terrorist Activists and YOU?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2016 - 05:01pm PT
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I would consider a person who bombs an abortion clinic to be a terrorist; a despicable human being, and you're correct that there are those who would say they are Activist.
And if one such person was the deceased holder of the iphone in question, I would stand by my belief that Apple should not provide the the code that cracks the phone.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
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Happiergrrrl2,
well you are entitled to chose your God.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
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What does THAT mean?
FWIW, I believe "God" is not a separate entity from us. We are all "God," as is all that is in existence.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
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Pantheism:
I suppose those kinds of beliefs do make rational discrimination a little more difficult?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 22, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
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You guys must live in a world of fear:
At any time, the FBI can access your bank deposit box, with a warrant.
They can take you into custody, with a warrant.
They can lock you up forever, with a trial.
They can take away your kids, with a court action.
They can access your work records, with a warrant.
OMG, we are so insecure, and to unsecure in our lives.....
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 22, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
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I don't need no stinkin privacy
Millions of us do appreciate our civil liberties and the fact that thousands of people have died to ensure we have them.
And this case isn't just about the American government getting access to our data, it's about forcing a company to break their currently unbreakable security and the fact that the break will probably end up in the hands of thieves and foreign governments.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
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I think I live in a world of Abundance.
One can always make money.
But don't call me Job!
t'is sleep that knits the ravelled sleeve of Care.
It been Entertaining: Good Night Irene
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 22, 2016 - 05:52pm PT
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maņana
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 22, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
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Use an 11 digit random passcode and it will take on average 127 years for the fbi to crack if they get Apple to allow rapid retry access and no erasing the data after 10 failuresor so.
http://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/passcodes-that-can-defeat-fbi-ios-backdoor/
But who wants to key in 11 digits every time?
Might be useful under certain situations, but not everyday use.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Feb 23, 2016 - 05:20am PT
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blahblah wrote: 'You have no idea what the chances are being killed by a terrorist are unless you have access to classified information.'
That's not the case:
http://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf
There's loads out there that quantifies the relative likelihood of being a victim of terrorism over all the other risks. It is tiny.
Steve
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2016 - 06:54am PT
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It's not an unwarranted fear.
Power corrupts, remember that adage?
Government is a cancer due to that fact, and unfortunately a necessary one. Ours began benignly enough but has, and will continue to progress into something far more dangerous. We're certainly not special as history is chock full of examples of when governments become empires, collapse, turn inward, and attack their hosts.
Human nature, cycles of empires.
Stupid people in large groups motivated by a lesser number of evil sociopaths.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 07:14am PT
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Fear,
your lines are Mostly Hyperbole
Power corrupts
Such an adage would apply to Apple also.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2016 - 07:15am PT
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We can choose not to buy i-thingies.... If you choose not to pay your taxes, men with rifles come and take them from you.
Big difference.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2016 - 07:21am PT
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Blakley,
the comparison needs to be innocent victims where you have no choice.
I believe this society lets people Base Jump since the act is a risk they chose. Not so with the victims of Terrorism and note part of Bill Gates argument is innocent victims.
Do you have no Compunctions or were you just trying to present some data?
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