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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Feb 24, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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Reading a couple more articles, I bet the cops have been directed to focus on specific infractions as part of the pedestrian safety effort.
I bet they're thrilled... Now in addition to the usual dv's, possession, warrants, death investigations, shoplifts, noise complaints, orders of protection, criminal damages, burglary, trespasses, found property, lost property, private property vehicle accidents, child protective services assists, court appearances, and other fun stuff, now they're supposed to bust jaywalkers, bicyclists, and crosswalk violators?
Have fun with that.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 24, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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Reading a couple more articles, I bet the cops have been directed to focus on specific infractions as part of the pedestrian safety effort.
I bet they're thrilled... Now in addition to the usual dv's, possession, warrants, death investigations, shoplifts, noise complaints, orders of protection, criminal damages, burglary, trespasses, found property, lost property, private property vehicle accidents, child protective services assists, court appearances, and other fun stuff, now they're supposed to bust jaywalkers, bicyclists, and crosswalk violators?
Have fun with that.
You forgot to add donut eating, cruising around on their Harleys if they're motorcycle cops, jaw'n with their cop buds, etc. etc. Real tough job.
Keep in mind that they show up, work their shift (basically just driving around sorta enforcing traffic laws and not trying very hard to pretend to care when someone reports a crime), and then they go home. If the crime doesn't get solved (which is almost always the case), oh well, that's really not their problem.
It's not like they have a "real job" where work needs to get done, regardless of what time it is or how many hours you've worked so far.
If you don't "get it," chances are you've never had a "real job."
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Feb 24, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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Word, blahblah!
Cops and teachers, the laziest people in the world!
.... yeah, right.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 25, 2014 - 02:40am PT
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In Arizona you are required by law to identify yourself truthfully to an officer if legally detained. Even though "nobody ever gets a ticket for jaywalking", if it's illegal in your community and you do it, you have given cops all the reason they need to legally and justifiably contact and detain you. I'll bet that's what happened here.
This is NOT the same as being required to produce acceptable ID.
Are you stating that in AZ it is ILLEGAL to be present in the state without a state-accepted ID? In your own home? In a hotel room? At the hotel pool?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:37am PT
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what cops think about a shooting may mean something different from what non-cops think, but it doesn't mean that cops are more "right."
What climbers and non-climbers think about a cam placement may mean something different. I trust a climber's opinion over a non-climber's any day when our lives and/or safety are at risk.
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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No Ken, I wrote it clearly. You are not required or expected to have id on you at all times.
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:04am PT
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Ron, blahblah was trolling there. Don't swing at every pitch Amigo!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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No Ken, I wrote it clearly. You are not required or expected to have id on you at all times.
And yet......that was what she was arrested for. According to the Chief of Police:
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/austin-police-chief-art-acevedo-jaywalker-was-arre/ndXcz/
Acevedo said he reviewed audio recordings and written reports of the arrest of Amanda Jo Stephen, 24, on a charge of failure to identify.
Stephen used profanity when speaking with officers, leading officers to handcuff her.
Ah, the law against profanity.
Only after screaming at officers and being placed in the pack of a police vehicle did Stephen provide her name.
Oh, wait a minute. She did not commit the crime for which she was charged?
When they finally stopped her, she “was resisting and wouldn’t provide identification,” the spokeswoman said.
"provide identification"?
Hmmmm.
but I am most bothered by the concept of a college student, jogging in her college community, being grabbed by a man that she cannot see, and gets accused of resisting arrest for pulling away.
what's reasonable here?
What do you teach your children to do if grabbed by an unknown adult?
what should they do?
What should women do if someone places hands on them that they cannot see...on a bus, in a crowd?
Hmmmm.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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No Ken, I wrote it clearly. You are not required or expected to have id on you at all times.
NOT NECESSARILY TRUE!
Under Arizona's SB1070 law, legal aliens are committing a crime if they do not "at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration", with a possible maximum sentence of six months for willful failure to comply.
The lying fascist GOP sacks of dung claimed that this was simply mirroring an existing Federal law, however the Federal law is a civil offense, not a crime (despite being passed in 1942 when there was a far more serious national security concern), and has no practical implication because the only time a federal immigration officer could request such papers would be during entry into the US.
I was a green card holder when that law was passed, making it illegal to take a shower without carrying my ID, requiring me to carry my green card with me hiking or climbing, and although I am now a citizen, until that law is repealed Arizona won't see a penny of my climbing and hiking tourist dollars.
TE
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
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TradEddie writes:
"Under Arizona's SB1070 law, legal aliens are committing a crime if they do not "at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration", with a possible maximum sentence of six months for willful failure to comply."
That's no different from Federal Law.
Right there on every Green Card it says this card "must be in your possession at all times".
BTW, when I was tending bar, a Green Card was the Gold Standard of identification. Very easy to match the card to the guy. The worst - by far - are U.S. Military ID's.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
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The thing that PO's me here in Santa Monica is that the police force (who are among the highest paid I've ever heard of) seem to only enforce the jaywalking, bike riding on sidewalk, loitering type laws so that they can pull someone over that they don't have a real reason to do so. If the person committing that type of infraction is an entitled looking Benz -type driver, they let them go right past. I saw a whole family with kids blow right through a stop sign with a cop right there. He told me that he didn't have the time to stop all of those kinds of infractions. But, just read the crime reporter in the local paper and most people that were busted for paraphernalia were pulled over for those same infractions. Profiling anyone?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
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Well Ydpl8s it's easier than fighting actual crime and doesn't cut into happy hour at the Dunkin' Donuts.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
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In Manhattan, if you don't jaywalk, you'll draw suspicion of the cops.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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I agree with Philo. It is my experience that the two primary decisions that
govern pulling someone over are
1. Will I get shot?
2. Will the perp pay the fine?
I got a ticket from an LA Sheriff who was lurking in a gated area of Bradbury.
Bradbury makes Beverly Hills look like Compton. I rolled a stop sign in
the middle of the day with nary a vehicle in sight. I asked the fat phuk
if bears shat in the woods.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
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No Ron, LEGAL ALIENS (i.e visa or green card holders) are committing a crime in Arizona if they do not posses their "papers" at all times. This provision was not overturned by the supreme court because until it happens to someone, there is no standing to have it overturned.
The Arizona state legislature:
http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/sb1070-hb2162.pdf
SB 1070, section 13-1509 makes it a crime to not comply with 8 USC 1304(e) or 1306(a). The Federal code requires possession of papers at all times, but violation is a civil misdemeanor and has no practical way to be enforced except when entering the county. Arizona makes this a crime at any time and any place. Secondly, if a US citizen isn't carrying ID, and a police officer can claim a reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal "You look mighty tanned son, is that an accent, how come you don't have ID?" that citizen can be detailed until he can verify his legal status.
Prove any of this wrong and I'll remove it.
TE
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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That's no different from Federal Law.
Right there on every Green Card it says this card "must be in your possession at all times".
Half truths as usual; failure to comply with the Federal code is a civil violation, not a crime, and you can't face 6 months in prison for it.
TE
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
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I agree with Philo. It is my experience that the two primary decisions that
govern pulling someone over are
1. Will I get shot?
2. Will the perp pay the fine?
I agree too, I was stopped for speeding less than 10mph over the limit within sight of drug dealers still standing on their stoops, business was not even interrupted by the presence of the cop.
Another time, in wonderful Newark NJ, I watched a whole squad of cops and tow trucks enforce a "no parking this side every third Tuesday afternoon", because that really was the biggest problem facing Newark.
Cops do a shitty job, but a small few make it so much harder for the rest.
TE
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Feb 25, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
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Who can figure out Jersey? They didn't enforce the "No Parking on the Bridge" thing.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Feb 25, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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Good one Ydpl8s.
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