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Karl Baba
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Does anybody actually know anyone (personally) that actually witnessed the planes crash into the buildings???
It's self evident that after the first plane crashed into the tower, the eyes of the city and lots of cameras, private and commercial, were pointed at the towers. It's totally implausible that a plane didn't hit the second tower
and theories about no plane hitting the towers are useless, and do much to discredit 9-11 truthers
Peace
karl
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aspendougy
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Los Angeles, CA
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• Many months prior to the 9/11 Terrorist Attack, a decorated former Israeli soldier in New Jersey overheard three men talking in Hebrew about the upcoming attacks. He heard several things:
o Two jets would crash into the Twin Towers
o The Arabs are “so stupid”! They don’t know how we are using them!
o “We have enough people in high places to insure the operation’s success.
o When it’s over, the Americans will know what we (Israelis) go through.
In other words, men speaking Hebrew, the native language of Israel were planning to take down the Twin Towers and blame it on Muslims, many months prior to the 9/11 attacks, in order to enlist America in their cause in the Middle East. This former soldier reported this suspicious and incrimination conversation to the authorities, but no action was taken.
Andreas von Bulow, a European intelligence expert, served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag (German parliament) from 1969 to 1994, and wrote a book titled Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State) on the criminal activities of various secret services.
Von Bulow told the American Free Press (AFP) that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, MOSSAD (Israel’s version of our CIA),, was largely responsible for the September 11 terror attacks against the Twin Towers in New York. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against Muslims. "You don't get the higher echelons," von Bulow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which plans such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as MOSSAD is primarily interested in affecting public opinion.
The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von Bulow calls "the working level," such as the 19 Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said.
"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," von Bulow said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said adding, "those who differ are labeled as crazy."
He is not the only European Intelligence expert to voice this opinion. In addition to European sources, our own F.B.I. says only two things. One, the evidence linking Israel to the 9/11 attacks “is classified”, and two, “they have insufficient evidence linking Bin Laden to the crime to put him on a wanted poster. “
There is much additional evidence that points to the following basic scenario: Israeli Intelligence either actually instigated or became aware of a plan by terrorists to hijack two planes. They then “took over” the operation, planted explosives in the Twin Towers, and planted the Koran in the white van near Logan Airport. This was an obvious and blatant political ploy to identify terrorism with the Muslim faith. It was very effective. .
Listed below is a summary of the points which support this claim:
• An Israeli surveillance team set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers, just prior to 9/11. Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming “middle-eastern” men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness.
They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center. Witnesses observing their behavior in Liberty State Park after the initial impact interpreted it as being celebratory. Later on, other witnesses saw them continuing to celebrate on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park”
remarked another witness.
When they were finally stopped. (They were arrested and held for several months) then released) they stated:
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."
Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? No Palestinian suicide attacks have taken place in New York City, and none of the supposed 9/11 hijackers were traced to Palestine!
These men were later traced to Urban Moving System's, a New Jersey Company staffed primarily by Israelis. A few days after the attacks, Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He and his Israeli co-workers were in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities.
How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? Moreover, how did they know it would involve the collapse of the Twin Towers? These captured Israeli Mossad agents had training in electronic intercept, military intelligence and explosive ordinance.
• According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the DEA and the US immigration service, the Israelis were organized into cells of four to six people. The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn’t emerge until after September 11, 2001, when a report by a French intelligence agency noted "according to the FBI, Arab
terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells".
• . The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:
"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks.
• A number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked.
• A senior military officer stated that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved.
• Gen. Hameed Gul, head of Inter Services Intelligence, the equivalent of a CIA-c#m-FBI combination of Pakistan, during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, was interviewed shortly after the 9/11 attacks, and repeated the accusation that Israeli agents were involved in the operation.Gul said that his friend bin Laden had sworn to him on the Koran that he was not involved. “From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel," Gul asked, how could Bin Laden mount such a sophisticated operation? "Let's be serious," he said with a smile. Asked why Israel would benefit, Gul replied, "Israel knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by demographics (and it) has now handed the (Bush administration) the opportunity it has been waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the Gulf and acquire control of the Caspian basin by extending its military presence in Central Asia."
• Horst Ehmke, who coordinated the German secret services directly under German prime minister Willi Brandt in the 70s, when he saw the televised images from September 11, he said it looked like a "Hollywood production." "Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with 4 hijacked planes without the support of a secret service," Ehmke said.
• MOSSAD agents rented the apartment next door to the some of the hijackers in FL>
• On October 10, 2001, CNN made a briefly mentioned a foiled terrorist bomb plot on the Parliament building in Mexico. They promised to bring any further developments of this story to their viewers, but the incident was never heard of again in the mainstream U.S. media outlets. But the story appeared in bold headlines on the front page of major Mexican newspapers and was also posted on the official website of the Mexican Justice Department.
Two terror suspects were captured in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. They had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C-4 plastic explosives (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the suspects were quietly released. The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui Sunke. Gerson is a Mexican of Jewish origin, and Zui is a colonel with the Israeli Intelligence Services. (MOSSAD). The story in El Diario de Mexico went on to reveal that the terrorists possessed forged Pakistani passports. Israel worked diligently to secure the release of these two suspects, who were then quietly deported. Many Mexicans expressed outrage at their prompt release, but to no avail.
Alan Sabrosky, a former U.S. Army War College Professor also believes that the evidence points to MOSSAD as the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
All the silly conspiracy theories involving George Bush, Dick Cheney and CIA serve to obscure the real truth. This also is a tactic, take something close to the truth and discredit it.
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Chief
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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Wow....now that's some heavy scheisse!
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Lennox
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k-man said:
Like independent tests that show traces of explosives in the Trade Towers dust.
This has been debunked:
Claim Two:
“Nano-thermite and military-grade explosives were found in dust from the towers. Tons of melted steel were found in tower debris.”
The thermite reaction is very hot, but it is also very slow compared to high explosives.Real controlled demolitions commonly use explosives to topple large buildings. However, the hallmarks of actual demolitions (the characteristic “boom-boom-boom-boom” sounds and the flashes of high explosives) were completely absent in Manhattan on the morning of September 11, 2001. Many 9/11 Truth advocates, including architect Richard Gage, insist that high explosives must have been used to bring down the Twin Towers, as they say this is the only process that can possibly explain the “ejection of debris hundreds of feet from the towers.” However, they simultaneously insist that thermite or a derivative (thermate, nanothermite, etc.) was used instead, so as to topple the towers quietly. (This is but one of many instances in which 9/11 Truth claims flatly contradict each other.) Thermite itself fails as an explanation for the destruction of the Towers on many levels:
The thermite reaction, which takes place between iron oxide (rust) and powdered aluminum, is practical for welding train tracks in the field and for destroying engines of vehicles that must be left behind during combat operations. The self-sustaining reaction, once initiated with heat, produces significant volumes of molten iron, which can melt and cut iron structures beneath it. For thermite to melt through a normally vertical steel beam, however, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from simply dropping straight down uselessly. The thermite reaction is very hot, but it is also very slow compared to high explosives. Thermite is simply not practical for carrying out a controlled demolition, and there is no documentation of it ever having been used for that purpose.
Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to show how nanothermite can slice through a large steel beam. The experiment was a total failure—even in the optimum (horizontal) configuration, the layer of nanothermite produced lots of flame and smoke but no actual damage to the massive I-beam tested. However, Ventura’s TruTV Conspiracy Theory show slyly passed it off as a rousing success (Thomas 2010a).
Niels Harrit and Steven Jones, along with several coauthors, published the “peer-reviewed” paper “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal (Harrit 2009). This article does not make the case for thermite use on 9/11. The paper examined “distinctive red/gray chips” found in WTC dust (unfortunately, with no chain of custody for the dust), and these were claimed to be thermitic because of their composition (iron oxides and pure aluminum) and other chemical properties. However, the presence of rust and aluminum does not prove the use of thermite, because iron oxide and aluminum are found in many common items that existed in the towers. Furthermore, the authors admit that their “differential scanning calorimeter” measurements of the supposed thermitic material showed results at about 450 degrees C below the temperature at which normal thermite reacts (Fana 2006). Finally, the scan of the red side of the “thermitic material” of Harrit/Jones is a dead-on match to material Jones himself identified as “WTC Steel Primer Paint” in his Hard Evidence Down Under Tour in November of 2009 (“Sunstealer” 2011).
Harrit’s article describes the red portion of the chips as “unreacted thermitic material.” But while thermite may be slow, it does not stop its reaction once it has begun. Because thermite supplies its own oxygen (via iron oxides), it can even burn underwater. Suggesting that the samples show partially reacted thermite is preposterous. Claiming that thermite would explain molten pools of steel weeks and months after the attack is equally preposterous.
The article’s publication process was so politicized and bizarre that the editor-in-chief of the Bentham journal that featured Jones’s article, Marie-Paule Pileni, resigned in protest (Hoffman 2009).
Thermitic demolition should have created copious pools of melted steel at Ground Zero, but nothing remotely like this was ever found. Truthers say iron microspheres found in the rubble indicate thermite; since hot fires and spot-welding do produce very tiny spheres of iron, though, these “microspheres” are not unexpected. Pictures of cranes holding red-hot materials in the rubble are said to show molten steel. Had this been the case, however, the crane rigs would have immediately seized up (Blanchard 2006). No reports of “molten steel” in the tower basements have ever been credibly verified (Roberts 2008). Some Truthers claim that a few pieces of sulfidized “eutectic” steel found in the towers proves thermate (thermite with sulfur) usage, but this occurred because sulfur, released from burned drywall, corroded the steel as it stewed in the pile for weeks (Roberts 2008).
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_truth_movement_the_top_conspiracy_theory_a_decade_later/
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Lennox
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Bldgs like #7 don't go down like like it did into such a neat package - the way it went down does not even require thermite evidence to show it was demolished. It's absurd to think otherwise.
I guess I have to post this one more time.
Claim Three:
“Tower 7, which wasn’t hit by a plane, collapsed neatly into its own footprint.”
The enigma of WTC 7 is becoming increasingly popular in Truther circles. We’re told that it wasn’t hit by a plane and was subjected to just a few “small office fires.” Yet it collapsed anyway, late in the afternoon of September 11, “falling neatly into its own footprint at freefall acceleration, just like a normal controlled demolition.” In particular, Truthers point to a brief period of freefall (2.25 seconds) that was confirmed by NIST in its WTC 7 final report (Sunder 2008; NIST 2010) as proving that the building was purposely imploded. However, WTC 7, too, fails to prove 9/11 was an “inside job”:
What is often conveniently left out of the story are actual reports from NYFD firefighters at the scene, which describe huge, raging, unfought fires on many floors at once and visible deformations and creaking of the building prior to its collapse (Roberts 2008). Tower 7 was not hit by an airplane; however, it was struck by a 110-story flaming skyscraper, the North Tower. The fires raged for hours, and they eventually caused a critical column (#79) to fail because of thermal expansion; NIST determined that this column was crucial to the building and could even be considered a design flaw. Its failure would have collapsed the building even without the other structural damage from WTC 1’s collapse and the fires.
WTC 7’s brief 2.25 seconds of free fall is now the Truthers’ best “smoking gun.” The claim usually goes like this: “The fifty-eight perimeter columns would have resisted and slowed the collapse to much less than freefall. The ‘freefall’ of WTC 7, admitted to by NIST, proves it was controlled demolition.” The problem is that this is a straw man argument. NIST found the collapse occurred in three stages. The first stage, which lasted 1.75 seconds, is when the fifty-eight perimeter columns were buckled; during this interval, the rooftop actually fell only about seven feet. This is because the breaking of columns saps speed, indeed making the collapse slower than free fall. In the second stage, which lasted 2.25 seconds, the already-buckled columns provided negligible support, and the north face of the structure free-fell about eight stories. (Try taking a plastic drinking straw and buckling it by folding it over and then pushing down on the bent straw with your hand. The crimped straw provides almost no resistance to vertical forces, and neither did the buckled columns of WTC 7.) The third stage described by NIST, which lasted 1.4 seconds, was again less-than-free fall, as the structure fell another 130 feet as it impacted more non-buckled structures toward the bottom of the building (NIST 2010).
The other half of the equation is that WTC 7 resembles a “classic controlled demolition” because it supposedly “imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint” (Gage 2011). In actuality, it twisted and tilted over to one side as it fell, and parts of the building severely damaged two neighboring buildings (the Verizon and Fiterman Hall structures). When challenged with the obvious fact that Tower 7 spilled far outside its footprint, however, Truthers will often change their tune and start saying that any resemblance to a natural collapse is part of the cover-up.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_truth_movement_the_top_conspiracy_theory_a_decade_later/
Bazant is one of the sources mentioned for part of the article linked. But he's in on it right? So everything is part of the conspiracy.
You can't argue with delusions, I spend much of my nights working in the ER dealing with such, and I get paid for it--I'm out
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monolith
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albany,ca
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LOL, the Grabbe paper. This is the paper that claims the top portion of the South Tower fell at >3g for about the first 100 feet. He's claiming the explosives some how sucked the top portion down. Wow!
Here he talks about his paper: http://www.sealane.org/blog/Bazantegg.shtml
The top segment is being pulled down much faster apparently by the force of a gradient in the pressure of an internal explosion.
Don't ya just love truther physics.
MN, your own pic above shows wtc7 debris piled 8 stories high against the Verizon Building.
What part of footprint don't you understand MN. Look for pictures of Fiterman hall and tell me that's a part of WTC 7's footprint.
Fiterman hall had to be deconstructed because it was so badly damaged by the collapse of WTC 7.
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OR
Trad climber
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Does anybody actually know anyone (personally) that actually witnessed the planes crash into the buildings???
Let me think....oh, My best friend saw them both hit. My ex GF saw the second one hit. My ex employee was almost killed himself by a man who jumped from from the towers rather than burn to death and I'm fairly sure at least one of my three friends who were working at Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th floor of tower one may have witnessed a plane coming at them......... but I can't ask them because they are dead.
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Byran
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Yosemite Valley, CA
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Hamster video was worth the click. Anyways here's a quote I like from http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
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WHY would the government do it? I don’t mean Iraq , oil etc I mean why would they do it in this way ? just to help a pal with his insurance?
Why use a plane at all . Why crash your own airline industry and every other countries { Swissair etc}, damage your financial markets { just when you are going to need some war funds} destroy very very
valuable property, panic the WORLD, kill your own citizens etc. Could all this not be achieved by a ‘foiled’ plot. Terrorists were 15 minutes from the murder of thousands... a president would certainly come out better
having stopped an attack than permitted one. Or if you needed a big attack why not just the anthrax that came after. Everyone panicking over any white powder. Far far easier to plant Anthrax or similar in the towers or Disneyland, have a panic, then capture your suspects who blow themselves up or whatever you want.
If you were going to do this, would you do it this way?’ There are cheaper, better, easier and safer ways to get into a war.. Also why pick Osama as the fall guy if the target is Hussein. Why not just pick Saddam and ‘plant’ evidence to show it was him all along, thereby never needing to go to Afghanistan at all .After all if you can plan the attack why not the culprit.. no need to go scratching for evidence of a link to Iraq AFTER the attack , set it up before.
Funny how the authorities are both all powerful, all seeing, all knowing, and completely incompetent at the same time...
The good old Pearl Harbor theory always struck me the same way . Why destroy your fleet just as you are planning war. Discover the jap carriers 500 miles out while on manouevers’ and the impact on public opinion would be similar to a attack.
Why sink your whole fleet ? Especially if you could sink theirs .. take a few years off the war if they lost 6 carriers day 1 !!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Hamster on the way to Stage 14 (Fake Mercury)
Hamster on Stage 69 (Werner's Fake Moon)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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The city is a hologram.
The hamster is real.
The WTC building holograms have been turned off, following the screening of the aircraft attack hologram.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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And don't forget this one Byran:
All this planning and execution from a govt that is allegedly totally incompetent. :/ They just try to look incompetent as part of the cover. :/
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fear
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hartford, ct
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may have witnessed a plane coming at them......... but I can't ask them because they are dead.
...... or are they??? ....
Maybe they got the call on the super-secret Jew phone just in time!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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If you really want your head to explode and splatter on the wall, go here;
http://www.septemberclues.info/
From what I've learned from SeptemberClues, I can tell your hamster video is fake.
What September Clues says, and I hope I have this correct, is that All and ANY footage you have ever seen of the 911 event was created in a studio. They believe the buildings WERE demolished but that there were no people in them and that the area was evacuated. No planes ever hit the bldgs. All home video cameras were disabled with EMT. So that nobody could see the ACTUALL event a fog was created over the city. Even the 911 Memorial and victims are fake.
I would encourage people to check it out but it could cause brain damage or worse.
How do you know that something is real or now?
How do you know that you are real?
How do you know "you" are not just part of a sleeping hamster's dream?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Cosmic found a great image!
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Big Mike
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BC
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They're trying to make it fade to black dr f.
Who said the government did it? Certainly not me, i don't recall anyone else asserting that either.
OR I meant no disrespect, in fact I was hoping that someone like you would come along. Did your ex-girlfriend actually describe a plane flying into the building or just an explosion? I am simply curious, and trying to wade through all the muck out there.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Could all this not be achieved by a ‘foiled’ plot. Terrorists were 15 minutes from the murder of thousands... a president would certainly come out better
having stopped an attack than permitted one.
Well let's not forget that on Sept 10th Donald Rumsfeld announced that the department of Defense had 2.3 trillion!!! unaccounted for!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
That's big shit! and guess what, people forgot all about that after 9-11. Not to mention that
Let's not forget that there were 10s of millions of dollars in Gold and Silver from the Bank of Nova Scotia that disappeared when the buildings went down. And Silverstein got something like 7 billion in an insurance settlement on the building that he only had 15 million invested it and which was going to require a 1 billion in Asbestos remediation.
Not to mention the extraordinary put options (bets the stock would go down) placed on the airlines and wall street firms that were housed in the towers.
besides that, the evidence for a number of serious wall street investigations were destroyed when the buildings fell. very convenient.
Here's a 37 minute video (part 1) on following the September 11 money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1t5anm6Uyo
There's a lot more. The 9-11 commission specifically stated they didn't think where the financing for the 9-11 attacks came from was important. Total BS right? Particularly when a major Indian newspaper wrote that the head of the Pakistani ISI secret service had wired 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta and that same guy was meeting with George Tenet, on the day of 9-11
Peace
Karl
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monolith
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Good plan Karl. Announce who the conspirators are and the motivation for the attack the day before the attack. Hahahaha.
And no Karl, he didn't just announce it. This was well known for a couple years.
See http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Missing_Trillions.
His speech says the Pentagon should be technologically improved for more efficiency. Hardly seems motivation to slam planes into towers and kill thousands of Americans and
risk getting caught
risk getting caught
risk getting caught.
Here's a few paragraphs:
The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.
We maintain 20 to 25 percent more base infrastructure than we need to support our forces, at an annual waste to taxpayers of some $3 billion to $4 billion. Fully half of our resources go to infrastructure and overhead, and in addition to draining resources from warfighting, these costly and outdated systems, procedures and programs stifle innovation as well. A new idea must often survive the gauntlet of some 17 levels of bureaucracy to make it from a line officer's to my desk. I have too much respect for a line officer to believe that we need 17 layers between us.
Our business processes and regulations seems to be engineered to prevent any mistake, and by so doing, they discourage any risk. But ours is a nation born of ideas and raised on improbability, and risk aversion is not America's ethic, and more important, it must not be ours.
Those who fear danger do not volunteer to storm beaches and take hills, sail the seas, and conquer the skies. Now we must free you to take some of the same thoughtful, reasoned risks in the bureaucracy that the men and women in uniform do in battle.
To that end, we're announcing today a series of steps the Department of Defense will take to shift our focus and our resources from bureaucracy to battlefield, from tail to tooth.
Today's announcements are only the first of many. We will launch others ourselves, and we will ask Congress for legislative help as well. We have, for example, asked Congress for permission to begin the process of closing excess bases and consolidating the B-1 bomber force.
http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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I have to come clean.
I am not an agent provocateur, nor collaborator, nor an operative, nor a ringleader.
I am out for myself. I am a mastermind. At the tender of age of 13 I (a genius) was hired by NASA to coordinate the fake moon landings. Why me? Because I am a genius, it’s that simple.
So who comes knocking on my door (not for the first time) in early 2001?
My old contacts. They come up with this idiotic scheme to help Bush’s popularity, the CIA’s goals and hegemony, not to mention the anti-Islam element.
I don’t know, I had retired to the Emerald Isle (I was paid well for the moon landing scenario and several other gigs as well).
But when they said I could help strike a blow for their agenda, which I really didn’t care about, my ears perked up. Actually they perked up when the sum €200m in pay (but no benefits) was mentioned, of course with all the hardware thrown in.
Mmm, I told them €300m. I hardballed them. They hemmed and they hawed.
Deal.
Being a climber as a one-man team, it was not that difficult to stash explosives on the buildings at strategic points. I disguised myself as window cleaner.
What pisses me off is that it took longer than I thought it would, yet I couldn’t charge overtime. Bummer.
I gave the operatives the remote control that would detonate the whole lot.
And I also felt betrayed, in the sense that it was suppose to be only ONE airplane, and nobody mentioned anything about the Pentagon and Pennsylvania.
You think they would have kept me in the loop.
NB I don’t know, it wouldn’t surprise me if there was some sort of shenanigans going on, I don’t trust politicians/governments, not that I am a libertarian or tea-partier or anarchist.
I often wonder if the Brits, and perhaps even some US officials, knew in advance of Pearl Harbor. And there are a couple of other questions that play on my mind regarding things past. However, by nature I am not a conspiratorist, at all.
When told about the atrocity, the look on Bush’s face (wasn’t he reading the book upside down to the students?), his look was one of being incredulous and truly shocked… either that or he is a better actor than I give him credit for.
RIP the 911 victims and condolences to their loved ones.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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When told about the atrocity, the look on Bush’s face (wasn’t he reading the book upside down to the students?), his look was one of being incredulous and truly shocked… either that or he is a better actor than I give him credit for.
Yeah, Bush just sat their and read that book to the kids cause he said he didn't want to scare a few dozen kids by leaving the room suddenly when the nation was attacked.
Then He lied when he said that he had seen the first plane hit the tower when, in fact, no such video had be broadcast by the time he claimed to have seen it
and yet few question why he would have said something impossible
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bushlie.html
President Bush has stated on two occasions that he saw a plane hit World Trade Center 1:
Occasion 1:
President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting
[CNN, Aired December 4, 2001]
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)
Thank you, Jordan (ph).
Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
RealMedia video download of comment
Occasion 2:
President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
[whitehouse.gov, January 5, 2002]
"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..." [whitehouse.gov]
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There is a problem with the above statements. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of the first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit World Trade Center 2.
11 a.m. on 9/11. One of the first broadcasts of Flight 11's impact into WTC 1.
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This Washington Times article states he didn't see the impact at the school...
The president entered a holding room at the school and picked up a secure telephone to speak with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice at the White House. She was sitting in her office, watching live coverage of the stricken north tower as it belched black smoke into a cloudless sky. "There's one terrible pilot," Mr. Bush muttered. Turning to Mr. Card, he speculated that the pilot must have suffered a heart attack. Mr. Bush, who had yet to see the TV images, drafted a statement pledging federal assistance.
...and this is confirmed by Booker Elementary School Principal Gwen Rigell in this Propaganda Matrix posting:
I had the opportunity to talk with Principal Gwen Rigell of Booker Elementary school for about twenty minutes. ... I asked her if in fact the President had been watching the events of 9-11 unfold on TV before he went into that classroom and she told me "Absolutely not". There was no TV in the corridor or anywhere near that classroom.
Even though Bush is not a very good pilot (he was taken off of flight status for failure to take a medical exam which included a drug test), it would be silly to assume that a passenger jet hitting the WTC in clear weather was pilot error, especially since warnings had surfaced of hijacked commercial aircraft attacking symbols of American culture:
U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals [in July 2001] that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture. [FromTheWilderness]
FBI information [...] indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York. [President Bush Intelligence Briefing 8/6/2001]
If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Center then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time, and he saw it before arriving at Booker Elementary because he was en route to the school when the first plane struck WTC 1 - a closed-circuit live feed to his limo is the only way he could have seen this impact on TV.
Each of us will ... remember the moment the news came -- where we were and what we were doing. [G.W. Bush, September 20, 2001]
It must also be remembered that even after Andrew Card informed Bush of the second impact, by his own admission Bush knew America was being attacked, but he continued listening to the reading skills of a classroom full of children.
Just think about that for a while.
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