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steelmnkey

climber

Vision man...ya gotta have vision...

Dec 14, 2011 - 05:28pm PT

C - You got your propofol via mask?
Mine went in a vein in my hand...instant knockout punch. Goodnight Charlie!!!

We rescued Ginny, so she was like six months old when we got her. No little wiggly puppy shots, just big ol' puppy wiggling (still going on over a year later). This is the best I can do... day 1 with us. You can still see the scar from being spayed by the rescue dudes.

scuffy b

climber

dissected alluvial deposits, late Pleistocene

Dec 14, 2011 - 05:29pm PT

Boomer, not grooming himself

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 05:35pm PT

I do have a cone of shame. Am I not supposed to?

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Dec 14, 2011 - 05:38pm PT

Cone of shame, that's pretty funny.

Positive thinking ensues in your direction.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 05:38pm PT

Heh heh.

Good point Hank. They didn't tell me not to. It was just so awkward in August getting groomed by a guy I don't know. :/ Where to put my hands? Small talk? Ask his name?

They don't teach this stuff to us growing up.

No talk of a pace maker. Guess I'm not in that territory. I have learned so very much, but I still know about .5% I think.

Yeah, got my stuff via mask. The anesthesiologist just said "here's some oxygen to start with." 30 second later (maybe less) I feel a bit like I have some laughing gas or something. I said "Hey, there's more than oxygen in there." He said there is and lights went out. Too bad they don't leave it on for longer to at least enjoy that stage more. Maybe they do it via mask to minimize it's interference with the heart? Good stuff. See why Michael Jackson liked it a lot.

MH2

climber

Dec 14, 2011 - 06:26pm PT

Thank you, Tami. People here know way too much. About surgery. Just be sure to keep living, Callie.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 07:49pm PT

Yes - lots of male nurses. In fact, I've seen more male than female. I thought the grooming was awkward. That was nothing compared to it being a guy who had to remove the foley catheter.

Oy.

NOW that's way too much, no? Heh heh.

edit: and thanks Hank. :)

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 15, 2011 - 02:01pm PT

propofol can only be given by IV, so either you got two drugs, or you didn't get it.

I want to make clear (my previous post might have been unclear), I think the supplements are a good idea, and safe, and I think you should do that.
Deficiencies are not the cause of the problem, but it can be a provocative factor (although it certainly was not on the table!)

One other thing to consider: I am loath to make suggestions that interfere with a doctor-patient relationship, but there are times when some things should be brought up, and are not. I adhere to a pyramid model of medical intervention: Most things are well handled by a generalist (a GP), but some things need to go to a specialist (like a cardiologist), and some to a sub-specialist(like an electrophysiologist).
This takes care of about 99% of things. But when things don't go right in that pathway, there is a higher power, which are the people who deal with the "tough" or difficult or unresponsive cases, routinely. I can't tell you if they have special tricks for making things work, or a special instinct or knack, but these are folks that make things happen when others cannot.

You've had your shot at a routine ep study, and it was unfortunately fruitless. If you decide to look at another procedure, you are FAR better off doing so with someone who will be doing whatever it is that will be done as part of their routine practice----they do it daily---rather than someone who has it as the exceptional thing that they do infrequently.

This applies in all procedures in medicine, by the way. Experience really does matter.

These people are usually found at academic medical institutions, where people are referred because the community experts think it is beyond their experience.

Just a thought.

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Dec 15, 2011 - 02:15pm PT

Best wishes for recuperation and recovery, Callie !!

philo

Trad climber

Somewhere halfway over the rainbow

Dec 15, 2011 - 02:21pm PT

Crimps, I am just a phone call away if you need anything, even a pair of ears.

reddirt

climber

PNW

Dec 15, 2011 - 08:32pm PT

Sending good vibes your way!

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Dec 15, 2011 - 09:01pm PT

SCseagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz

Dec 15, 2011 - 09:51pm PT

Teddy don't let them undercut ya... It's an Elizabetian Collar. Royal.

Susan

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2011 - 12:02am PT

Yup. Only two days in the hospital. Home a couple of days now.

Thanks much for your thoughts Ken. They carry a lot of weight. I feel I'm doctored out for a bit: I don't want to make an appt right now. Tired of it all and maybe in denial?

Nonetheless, my attempt to ignore things (as the last paragraph shows) suggest they can't be ignored. I'm going to stick with a bit of the supplements. Seems they cannot hurt as long as I don't gobble them like candy. I won't.

I know I got the propofol. But I guess there was a bonus gas. I know that for sure but don't know what it was. I also remember waking up and trying to talk but couldn't. I tried many times (SO THIRSTY) but it was almost like my mouth was paralyzed. I wonder if I was still intubated. Bizarre feeling.

A taco sent me a nice referral to an EP here (not sure if he is an academic). And being I work at a medical university (UC Denver) there are many right under my nose. It's amazing how hard it is to know that your physician is really a good one. I mean, I think my EP was good. Does failing to get the arrhythmia to stay long enough to map indicate his skills or my cagey heart?

I wonder who you, as a physician (any physician out there) would go to. I don't care if they are in town or not. But where would you go?

Even with a ton of info, it's hard to know what to do. :/

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber

Will know soon

Dec 16, 2011 - 12:34am PT

Just read this entire thread. Yo gal have been thru a lot and your attitude is awesome. Prayers and best positive thoughts to you, Crimpie. If there is anything we can do for you in So Cal...Please let us know. Peace and lots of love to you and your best male nurse.... lynne

matisse

climber

Dec 16, 2011 - 01:12am PT

I thought Ken had some really good advice. If I could go anywhere, I would go to the Mayo (but I don't have insurance that would let me do that). There are lots of good places, but I think there you know what you are getting. They are so geared to giving the patient a good experience it is crazy.

I had a friend who left UCSD to go work there and I have listened to him rave about how good the care is. He is an awesome chest radiologist (one of the best IMO) and Mayo managed to get him to leave So Cal much to his wife's chagrin.

Its completely understandable you need a break right now. these things beat you down. Take a break and feel free to email me if I can help in anyway.

Longstick

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Dec 16, 2011 - 01:14am PT

I came back from 3 wks of wild-land fire-fighting and thought I was just fatigued. Just had to find a place and sit down to rest. All the time. Finally checked my pulse and it was a mess. Called the Dr and he said come into emergency. That was 14 years ago. A-fib diagnosed. Since then I have had 2 ablations, numerous meds...trying this prescription and that. And am age 57 and slipped into constant a-fib 3 years ago.

I take a solid dose of beta blocker and my electrocardiologist says a recent study showed that below 110 bpm should not squelch my life span. Mine is around 100. I used to have a nice low pulse...resting 45-50. Without a shadow of doubt, I know I will die. OK, that is settled. In the meantime, I live.

I expect a pace-maker sometime soon. But, we have also discussed a hybrid operation that requires going to the exterior of the heart to place the exterior electrodes in unreached areas. The Dr will manually cut a hole through the ribs and slip in the tools. This will allow the Dr to target back-facing areas of the heart that are missed during usual ablation. They usually place that contact point on the skin of the back. How the Dr can map the heart...and place that interior electrode on the beating heart is amazing.

I have slowed down...used be ranked in the top 1-2% nationally in the indoor rower...not now. Just get out and row on the water when weather warms. Still exercise...but, I don't push it. Moderation is key and necessary.

I still hike, have fun...etc. I am more focused ...and appreciative of what is important.

Life is a gift. So is this. Treasure people, love, and love God with all your heart.

I hope and pray you do well with your life. Dr Ken is giving great advice.

I am Ken too.