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JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Peenemunde

Oct 13, 2009 - 12:59pm PT

I predict I will be solid on 5.10 again in 30 days.

Then its some free solo action in Joshua Tree for me.

Juan

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 13, 2009 - 01:13pm PT

franky,

I, too, am guilty of leaving the camera behind way too often. I wouldn't assume that we're not interested in your trip reports. You write and express yourself well, and I've enjoyed our sparring on your other thread.

I read and appreciate TR's not only of the hardest climbs, but of almost any climb (including those of failures). If you're doing moderate climbs now, I wouldn't be surprised to see your climbs grow in difficulty. Any TR will potentially bring back memories, or feed hopes, of that climb and the climbing experience.

Bring and use that camera, and share your adventures.

John

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 13, 2009 - 01:13pm PT

The new photo-posting system makes it much easier to do trip reports.

Hopefully the proposed adjective-anihilator and purple-passage-pruner will help with the florid language, too.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Oct 13, 2009 - 01:15pm PT

yesterday I tried to do a problem I had had wired since teenhood. A major hold had broken off, but still....

Okay now this thread is back on topic.

graniteclimber

Trad climber

Nowhere

Oct 13, 2009 - 01:44pm PT

"A simple statistical analysis shows that non-climbing threads get FAR more hits than climbing related ones."

No, the non-climbing threads do not get more hits, they get more responses, most by small group of people.

The Taco does not have a hit counter, but if it did, it would show that the climbing threads get more hits then you might think. It's just that most are not controversial and do not lead to endless back and forth arguing.

TwistedCrank

climber

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom

Oct 13, 2009 - 01:50pm PT

Sometimes the things climbers talk about are as interesting as the routes they do.

Sometimes.

Consider.

A TR of an airy route done in good style is much MUCH more iteresting than the usual oh-those-dumb-Republicans tripe.

A Largo rant on the intellectual capacity of Sarah Palin is much MUCH more interesting than the usual how-I-spent-my-weekend-in-Tuolumne dribble.

Iron Mtn.

Trad climber

Corona, Ca.

Oct 13, 2009 - 02:27pm PT

I was going to make a post on a non-climber dying, but I figured it really wasn't appropriate for the forum, so I decided against it...

Reeotch

Trad climber

Kayenta, AZ

Oct 13, 2009 - 03:52pm PT

Update: The "Why Are Those Republicans So Wrong On Everything" thread now has 12004 replies. Thats just too funny!
What does it say about us as a community???

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Oct 13, 2009 - 04:04pm PT

Like heres a climbing thread with no climbing on it! Quick post a picture at least.

Last Saturday on a FA. Good news, left knee 100 percent, right knee 93% or so.

one more - Enuro brother following P2 with goggles on...LOL.

rgold

Trad climber

Poughkeepsie, NY

Oct 13, 2009 - 04:32pm PT

jstan has a point (as usual). Everyday climbing may not be all that interesting, even to everyday climbers. It is also true that a few people fighting with each other can really make the hit counter spin, and then a lot of others gather 'round as in a schoolyard to watch the fight...

But we also now have a TR tab. Click it and feel the refreshing breeze of nothin' but climbin' blow over you---until, of course, you realize you just have to tell off that asswhole (spelling to circumvent the auto-censor) on the why dinosaurs never invented the wheel thread.

But another problem is that TR's are mostly for reading. Discussion, to the extent that we find it interesting, is less likely to end up in a TR.

But climbing discussion topics tend to center around technique, best practice, so-called "ethics," and endlessly arcane technical matters. This works best at a place like rc.com, where a never-ending parade of new climbers raise the same issues (with variations) over and over again.

Most of the people here have figured most of this stuff out already (and if they haven't, they are irrevocably convinced that they have) and so are not inlcined to join in what they see as another rehashing of the same old crap.

And so, voila! The off-topic threads, like weeds, proliferate.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 13, 2009 - 04:35pm PT

"viola?"

What have musical instruments to do with the subject? More thread drift. Sheesh, I tell you...

(My father built and played a viola.)

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Boulder, CO

Oct 13, 2009 - 04:49pm PT

Seven new routes in the Rio Grande Gorge over the weekend...I rather climb than wank about it on the internet.

Jim...let's get out when you are in town.

jstan

climber

Oct 13, 2009 - 04:52pm PT

Don't Canadians spell "viola" as "vioula?"

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Oct 13, 2009 - 05:01pm PT

hey there say, all... i think what graniteclimber said, does have more truth to it, than one may see right-up:

The Taco does not have a hit counter, but if it did, it would show that the climbing threads get more hits then you might think. It's just that most are not controversial and do not lead to endless back and forth arguing.

folks DO love to see and hear about the trips reports, and folks like me, learn a lot from them and "get to see the world of the greatoutdoors" that we'd never yet seen... (and when folks ain't too busy with home-life, they get to read these trips and respond, as we have all seen) ...

but---folks DO like to "relate" back and forth over topics, and this seems to helps folks be who they are by this form of "self expression" among others, and in some cases, too, it even helps folks sort out their thoughts on newer issues, as well, as they learn from each other, etc, by what is shared as the all "throw down their cards" etc, for discussions...

many times, these ARE easier and faster to read and respond to, too, in the midst of busy conditions at home, due to work and responsibilities that fight for our free time...

say, supertopo is versitile, yet strong enough to keep an anchor, in the midst of this all (and THAT is quite a feat)as to what it is--a climbers "forum, for 'em"... and "for 'em" when they ain't all busy climbing... ;)

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Oct 13, 2009 - 05:23pm PT

Rgold & Neebee have it right, I think -- the OT stuff is just easier to post about for some people;
and any back-and-forth that gets going will keep it high on the front page.

Climbing topics (unless there are bolting or anchor issues) don't have so much back-and-forth,
and tend to slide off the front pages more quickly.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 13, 2009 - 05:32pm PT

Looks like rapbolting to me. Plus the bolts are too close together, given the nature of the rock. And they don't look equalized to me, neither.

And (most important) are they 3/8", 10 mm, stainless, or titanium?

Edit: Just teasing, eh? I always figured that if there are two (or more) bombproof belay anchors to which one is reliably tied, that's 99% of the challenge. It's not like belay anchors, whether fixed or constructed, are failing left, right and centre. And the discussions regarding anchor equalization are enough to scare anyone, for the most part unnecessarily.

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Oct 13, 2009 - 05:36pm PT

hey there chiloe, and mighty hiker... say:

i like all those colors in that pic, against the nice gray and grayish-tan of the rocks... :)

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Oct 13, 2009 - 05:43pm PT

Mighty Hiker, I'm pretty sure those bolts were drilled from a stance. They are definitely
retrobolts, however, added to a classic route to make rappeling more convenient. And
snooty though I sometimes get about convenience retrobolting, we seem to be using
them there! Albeit, in a disorganized-looking way.

The better story behind that picture, which I might get 'round to telling on the Beulah
thread, has to do with the blue-and-white rope. I've never used anything like it (but not
'cause of color).