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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nixon in China was a meeting without preconditions??
You need to do some reading, especially about the diplomacy of Henry Kissinger - another Nobel Peace Prize Laureate by the way.
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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Fatty at least the response was a humble response IMHO.
Coz, I don't know about a list for you, and I don't mean this as the (unfortunate) cliche it has become, but he has given hope to many many people- especially around the world. From where we were a year ago I'd say that is an accomplishment.
Now whether the Nobel Peace is given for achievements or potential is a slightly different discussion.
Blue... I believe it was 12 days.
But, since it's only 5 guys making the decision they can determine whatever they want. You (and me) don't me sh*te.
And, Teddy R. + Woodrow W also got them...
I find it interesting that A Peace prize is given to one that orders death.
But that just may be the Buddhist in me...
I do believe in potential though.
Cheers,
DD
edit by "orders death" I simply mean because of the position he is in- not a personal "attack" on him
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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i never said barry could have stopped russia's invasion of georgia...but to accuse georgia of "aggression" for being invaded is idiocy at it's highest...so barry changed his tune after four days (by the way, mccain called it right on the first day)
what exactly has russia done besides make vague statements about sanctions?
what has iran done?
yeah, i criticized W for his kiss, but at least he stood face to face...barry kowtowed, which is an act of submission
logic: brutal regimes (ussr, south africa, noko, etc.) are marginalized in international affairs through official sanctions and unofficial efforts (encouraging "freedom concerts")...when high-level talks are promised without expecting or even asking the regime to make concessions, then, yes, the regime is legitimize because there are no consequences for its actions
gorbachev challenged his own totalitarian party, literally at the risk of his own life...he was even "taken into custody" at one point
what has barry done? squat
what has barry suffered? ok, he didn't get the olympics
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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WB
from
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/nobel.peace.prize/index.html
Choosing a winner
The Nobel Peace Prize winner is chosen by a five-member committee of lawmakers elected by the Norwegian parliament. Specially appointed advisers weigh in.
More than a year before the prize is awarded, the Nobel committee seeks nominations from members of governments and international courts, heads of universities, academics and previous Nobel laureates. Self-nominations are not allowed. The nomination deadline is February.
The committee makes its final vote in October. The winner is determined by a simple majority vote.
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okie
Trad climber
San Leandro, Ca
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Isn't this the man who just refused to meet with the Dalai Lama??????
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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DD, good points.
Teddy for mediating in China/Japan conflict and Wilson for forming the League of Nations. They actually achieved peace through direct actions.
Nowadays, the award is meaningless. It's pretty pathetic actually....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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By choosing to develop and strengthen a relationship with China, Obama is far from appeasing them — he is trying to learn, bargain and negotiate with the communist country. The public is not privy to what goes on behind closed doors; if Obama is able to first get through to Hu and better understand the logic of China's policy decisions, he puts himself in a better position to help China and Tibet work through their discrepancies and ease into positive change. Meeting with Hu should not be interpreted as a bad thing — it should be read as an opportunity to define goals and further push a human rights agenda. Without extensively pushing these issues, no significant progress can occur.
The White House has issued a statement describing this postponement with the Dalai Lama as "mutual". Both Obama and the Dalai Lama get it — they understand that doing what is best for the Tibetan people sometimes involves hard decisions and, often, involves patience and diplomacy. Unquestionably, both want human rights to prevail and are doing all they can to prove diplomacy can work.
National Public Radio
Of course, Nobel awards are a joke. No one should receive any honors
for anything they have done. Only God will reward them in heaven.
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franky
climber
Davis, CA
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Just shows you how bad our last president was.
You could make a serious argument that his biggest contribution to world peace was getting republicans out of the white house. That contribution alone is probably worth the peace prize. We will never know how many lives were saved just by that action alone.
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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"...Nowadays, the award is meaningless. It's pretty pathetic actually...."
That is certainly a prevalent opinion by many, but even more (my guess) still believe it is worthy.
Bafflingly sure, but meaningless I think knott.
DD
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Beatrix Kiddo
Mountain climber
Littleton
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Steve when I head that on the news this morning I thought of you! I thought, "Ohhhh, Steve isn't going to like this!" I drew the assumption knowing how much you like Greg.
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dangry
Trad climber
tahoma, ca
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Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize is simply the New World Order's leaders coming through with the first of many payoffs to their puppet.
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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You are truly a bunch of hateful/cynical mofos.
If any of you looked beyond our border, talked to someone from another country, got your head out of your ass, etc. You might realize the amazing and not so subtle shift that's happened in the world since Obama became President. People actually like the US now. They don't hate/fear us "as much".
Communication between countries, peoples, religions, trad vs sport, hockey teams, etc. is what peace is all about.
Obama has gotten world communication going again. There's still a long way to go but what a start!? I was surprised but super glad they made the choice they did. Mortenon next year. ( I like the "write to the Obama's suggestion about donating their winnings to him)
pc
Please continue your regularly scheduled bitching and moaning...
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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pc's on to something...
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habitat
climber
grass pass
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The Nobel Prizes were created by a Swedish chemist, Alfred Nobel. His father was an inventor and munitions manufacturer in Russia. As a young man Alfred became fluent in 6 languages and showed an interest in chemistry.
He became interested in nitroglycerin, which is highly explosive and unpredictable. It had been discovered earlier by an Italian chemist. Alfred conducted experiments to control the explosive forces of nitroglycerin. His first major invention was the blasting cap (detonator). It allowed nitro to be detonated at will. (Ultimately he would receive 355 patents in various countries).
In Stockholm the Nobel family began manufacturing nitro and blasting caps. In 1864 the plant went KABOOM and killed Alfred's youngest brother and four others.
Alfred redoubled his efforts to control the volatile nature of nitro. He discovered it was much more stable when mixed with diatomaceous earth. He called the invention "dynamite."
He went on to large-scale manufacturing of dynamite and supplied it to warring nations and industries. When he was 55 years old (1888) another one of his brothers died. The newspapers published Alfred's obituary by mistake. He was refered to as the "dynamite king" and a "merchant of death." In an effort to change the way people ultimately would remember him, he used his vast fortune to establish the Nobel Prizes. They are given in physics, chemistry, physiology/medicine, literature, and peace.
So there you have it: the guy who invented dynamite left us with the Nobel Peace Prize.
Reference: Fundamentals of Organic Chemistry by Fessenden & Fessenden
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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One of the perspectives that is missing, is what has happened in the world.
When I talk to world travellers (not vacation to Club Med), who work all over, they tell me a remarkable thing. They tell me that since Obama was elected, there has been a DRAMATIC shift in the image of America. Under Bush, we had been described as a bully, that used military force as a first option, whenever convenient, to take whatever it wanted. America had become the bad guy of the world. The only superpower, who used that power to destroy, who had no interest in any one else's plight, whose goal was to rape the planet. (I'm not subscribing to that description, only reporting what a number of people had told me) And as the Great One, it has shown the way to all governments everywhere: might makes right. If you can take it, you are right to take it. In fact, if you have the right to take something, then obviously God has annointed you to do so!
All that is gone. Obama, personally, is responsible for a change in vision. Now, if you talk to *people*, they have the highest respect for America and Americans. They all know about Obama, and his position of respect and diplomacy for others. The fact that America would have elected Obama, to them, means a repudiation of the "superpower diplomacy" that had previously existed, and that America is passing throught it's Dark Phase, back to it's position of leadership, charity, and respect(Uhhh....one might say, actual Christian Values)
There has been a "sea change" internationally. President Obama is personally responsible for this.
Talk to people who are on the ground, internationally (not just vacationers). You'll be amazed.
My buddy, who is very conservative, and a very committed Catholic, spends most of his time overseas. In the last year, he has spent months on the ground in Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Singapore, Siberia (Russian Far East), South Korea, Mexico, France, and other places for shorter times. He enjoys interacting and attending services with religious groups (not just Christian) wherever he goes, and inserts himself into the local culture. He has become an enormous fan of Obama, who he believes to be a True Christian, based upon the effect he has seen across the planet.
(disclaimer: I am neither a world traveller, nor a Christian)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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While I'm clearly no fan of Obama, I nontheless celebrate this as a citizen of the United States.
John
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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Unless "you" DO get out and about what Ken M writes of is so hard to get your head around- mostly because "you" are disconnected. Unless you count the media... and we all trust what they say right?
I love the USA
But sometimes the overall ignorance that is so pervasive in so much of the people is just darn frustrating.
DD
edit:
I should add that it IS refreshing (understatement) that we as a country elected the person we did. I'm still trying to figure that out.
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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"donate to charity"
Hmmm...I'm rooting still for Greg as the recipient of the $1.4 (or whatever it is) Mil.
Send those emails to the White house!
DD
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Kind'a curious, Obama was only in office for two weeks before the deadline for nominations. Begs many questions, I believe,
Tony
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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//But sometimes the overall ignorance that is so pervasive in so much of the people is just darn frustrating.
DD
edit:
I should add that it IS refreshing (understatement) that we as a country elected the person we did. I'm still trying to figure that out.
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I'm glad you caught the hypocrisy of those thoughts....We're an ignorant country, but smart enough to elect someone you like. Hmmm.
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