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philo
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boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 12:12pm PT
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Clueless Atcha.
Granny was in Texas where they do mail out tickets.
Ambulance was in Oklahoma.
Cry yourself a river.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jun 16, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
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The first cop was just some twerp on a power trip - the amazing thing is the ambulance driver actually stopped with a patient on board. Maybe that copper would have opened fire had he not pulled over.
I'd think that this officer is no longer in the field. What's amazing is that this video ever got released inasmuch as it shows such an embarassing event for that police force.
Gotta be a rare person who's this wonky and who actually gets a job as a cop.
JL
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Jun 16, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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Over 300 deaths by police taser since 2001. Less than 50 of those victims were armed, none with firearms. Many, many accounts of tasering "unresponsive" people. Here's a nice one I remember from Minnesota:
"The victim was identified by his father as Mark C. Backlund. Gordon Backlund said his son was on his way to pick up his parents at the airport after they had taken a short trip to Florida.
According to the State Patrol, he was involved in a rush-hour crash on Interstate Hwy. 694 near Silver Lake Road in New Brighton. The State Patrol said troopers shot him with the Taser because he was uncooperative. He was breathing but unconscious when paramedics arrived, according to Allina Medical Transportation spokesman Tim Burke but was pronounced dead at Unity Hospital in Fridley."
Guy is in a massive car crash, is rendered unconcious, and is tased for being "uncooperative"?. Uhh, yeah...hard to cooperate when your knocked the f*#k out. He was probably "resisting" too, huh Baby Tool? Go back to hiding in the bushes you pitiful little clown.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Jun 16, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
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Another pack of powerhungry pigs kill a kid for being "uncooperative" in Missouri. From TIME:
"Officers from Ozark, Missouri used Tasers 19 times on a 16-year-old boy who was lying next to a highway, injured after apparently falling from an overpass: he was reportedly 'refusing to cooperate' with officers and shouting. His parents said he was unable to comply because of his injuries, which were reported to be a broken back and heel."
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 01:49pm PT
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Taser's are being over used...very simple.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
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Jun 16, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
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Saw Tustin's finest in action yesterday, responding to motor vehicle accident.
Driver in small car rear ends large moving SUV hard enough to wedge the small car under the SUV. It takes approx 120 feet for the SUV to stop. Air bag saves life of small car driver. He is too drunk or stoned to walk and is extremely resistent and combative.
Tustin PD responds (5 vehicles). Officers first check for injuries and safeguard the scene. Attention is now focused on the small car driver. He continues to be combative, threatens everyone around him. He appears to have only minor injuries, so he is cuffed and put into squad car while police ensure paramedics get more seriously injured into ambulances and off for treatment.
During this entire time the small car driver is screaming and kicking in the squad car. The car is rocking like a van in the 70s. He's still kicking and screaming as the officers remove him from the car squad car and assist paramedics in getting him strapped to a gurney for transport to the hospital. He threatens the officers. He says he's going to get up and run. He tries to kick several officers.
Through ot all Tustin PD continues to address him as "sir" and continues to explain that they are only trying to help him.
No tasers, guns , or sticks were ever drawn. No punches were thrown by any of the officers; no officers kicked the suspect or put him into a chokehold. No officer lost their cool. They were polite and professional throughout the entire situation (a good 20 minutes)- and this is with a combative suspect.
Other cops should look to this as an example...it can be done. Cops who can't act this way should look for a new line of work or be prosecuted to the full extent of the law they swore to uphold. There are no excuses.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
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Jun 16, 2009 - 03:14pm PT
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“After careful consideration off all fact and circumstance, it does not appear it would be appropriate to file charges against (Maurice) White or any other person involved. Although, I do not condone their actions, I do not believe that filing charges at this time would serve the best interests of the public or interests of justice. It has been my experience that emergency service providers generally work well together, and it was disappointing to see a situation where that clearly did not happen,” district attorney Max Cook told KTUL 8.
Another DA preserving the staus quo. Until DAs start prosecuting officers for their crimes, the situation will not improve. But it is hard for a DA to get re-elected without support from the police union, so you can see why the ass-kissing continues.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 16, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
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I'm copying a bit more of the text from the link at the bottom of this post. It is controversial to say that Iraq veterans are anything less than paragons of virtue, with maybe the rare exception like those troops that gangraped the 14-year-old girl and then murdered her and her family.
But it does seem that the military attitude of modern cops is bad for society, and is becoming more and more prevalent. You pro-coppers see this type of over-the-top behavior by cops as an aberration; lots of people see it as business as usual; truth is probably in between but I don't like the direction things are headed in.
"The OHP attempt to stonewall requests for the police video demonstrate the lengths the state will go to cover up the violent behavior of police officers who are nothing more than jackbooted thugs ruthlessly preying on not only emergency workers but the public at large. Increasingly, police departments around the country are hiring thugs – many veterans of the war in Iraq – who are expected to act like brownshirted gangsters and react violently when citizens question or resist their criminal behavior."
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Barbarian
Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
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Jun 16, 2009 - 04:46pm PT
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So let me get this straight - You used a PR-24 to subdue a suspect who was attempting to take another officer's sidearm?
Sounds to me like approriate use of non-lethal force in a potentially lethal situation.
Not the same thing as tasing granny.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jun 16, 2009 - 04:48pm PT
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Question: If an ambulance, police car, fire truck, etc..., is traveling without their "special" lights on and with no siren, are they considered an emergency vehicle? Are they allowed to ignore traffic laws when not in an emergency situation?
If the ambulance was driving illegally without any indication of an emergency then the cop may have been justified. How was the cop to know that there is a patient in the back. If the lights are not on, the guy in the back must not need any urgent care and can wait while the driver gets a ticket.
Of course the cop is an extraordinary asshat for escalating the situation instead of diffusing it. There are so many options that would have been better. Follow them to the hospital and then give the driver the ticket?
I would never approach an officer who was doing his job. Those bystanders just made things worse. Asshat, dumbass, bonehead, and the rest of them all walking up to surround a lone cop? All of them are idiots including the driver who also escalated the situation. Once the cop shows he means business, it will get the patient to the hospital sooner if you take the ticket and then move on.
No one showed any intelligence.
People are generally stupid.
Dave
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 16, 2009 - 04:56pm PT
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rectorsquid--you're free to believe the presence of bystanders caused problems, but I would sure be thankful that there are witnesses if I ever have to deal with a cop like that.
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 16, 2009 - 05:12pm PT
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I love it when video proved what happened. In the first case the cop was way out of line. In the second case the cop should have been able to subdue a grandma w/o a taser, but I love how granny got caught in her lies and all of a sudden isn't granting any more interviews LOL.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jun 16, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
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"By The Book Rick" ;-)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jun 16, 2009 - 05:30pm PT
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the first video the guy was out of line and should lose his job. Most likely will.
The second one is tricky. Both were out of line really. old age doesn't give you a free pass on judgement. Neither does a badge. When she said "give me the f-ing ticket I'll sign it"... seems like it could been over right there. This guy won't lose his job and it's pretty sad she lied and got caught.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 05:39pm PT
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300+ tasing deaths in 8 years. That is over three a month. Some "non-lethal" force.
And that says nothing about the long term effects of cooking someones central nervous system.
While were on the subject here is a video of cop abuse at a Wendy's drive through.
The cop is cleared of wrong doing but the girl gets a $60,000.00 settlement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2009 - 06:22pm PT
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if those numbers are true (I don't see any references) then its still less than a fourth of the officers killed.
http://www.odmp.org/
But you don't care about those, hippy, because its more fun to beat off to grainy videos on youtube than to be a functioning member of society.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2009 - 06:31pm PT
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Are police really under fire?
May 27, 2009
THE MARCH 21 killings of four Oakland policemen and April 4 killings of three Pittsburgh policemen have triggered many speeches about the risks faced by the police, with wording similar to the first clause of the homage resolution sponsored by Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) and passed by Congress (House Resolution 290):
Whereas the slaying of Sergeants Dunakin, Romans and Sakai, and Officer Hege serve as a reminder that the risks assumed by police officers daily in serving and protecting their communities continue to be enormous, ever present, and lethal, even as the number of law enforcement officers killed by gunfire in the United States has steadily declined over the last 20 years.
Yet we know that these incidents are not just uncommon, but off the charts. It was "the deadliest [day] in the history of the Oakland police," the New York Times tells us. And "by far the deadliest day in the history of the Pittsburgh Police Bureau...it had been more than 13 years since a Pittsburgh Police officer had been killed in the line of duty," according to the blog of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.
So if the risks of police work are "enormous" and "lethal," yet incidents like the Oakland and Pittsburgh killings are extraordinary, just how much and what type of lethal risk do police typically face?
We can answer these questions by studying both past and current police fatality data to determine long-term trends and the current state of risk. The informal study I did clearly showed that while the risks of police work is higher than the national average, describing them as "enormous" is an overstatement. Moreover, the lethal risks are not the kind that make dramatic front-page news.
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THE STUDY looked at data collected by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) for 1992-97 and 2003-06, together with the FBI reports "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" covering 1992-2007.
The study found that during 1992-1997, the lethal risk (measured as fatality rates--the number of fatal work injuries per 100,000 workers) of police work was nearly three times the risk for the average worker. Yet in 1997, police work did not rank in the top 10 of highest-risk occupations. It ranked number 14--just above electrician, just below non-construction laborers, and well below farming, roofers, truck and cab drivers, and construction laborers.
The highest-risk occupations--timber cutter, fisher, seaman and aircraft pilot--had fatality rates seven to nine times the fatality rate of police. The lethal risk of police work was closer to the risk of the average worker than it was to the high-risk work of construction or driving a taxi.
The most current BLS fatality data, for 2006, shows risks similar to what was found for 1997: the lethal risk of police work is closer to the risk of the average worker than it is to the high-risk work of roofers or farm workers. The risk for taxi drivers and construction laborers has now decreased to be closer to that of police--who are still ranked at number 14. Police fatality risk is well below that of refuse workers.
But as the Congressional resolution suggests, the public's perception of lethal risk in police work is not of general lethal risk, but of a particular risk. The perception springs largely from the association of police work with violent confrontations, and thus is focused on the risk of homicide while performing police work. We all know where that association comes from. "As Seen On TV," an article in the Fall 2003 Occupational Outlook Quarterly from the BLS, spells it out when quoting Tony Lesce, a freelance writer and author of the book Cops! Media vs. Reality:
"When police are on duty, 30 to 50 percent of their time is spent writing reports," [Lesce] says, but "you almost never see a TV cop sitting at a desk to write a report." Instead, and unrealistically, he says, "every TV cop show you see has a lot of shootouts and car chases...Television shows also exaggerate the violence that police and detectives actually deal with, Lesce says, resulting in far fewer scripted appearances of the more prevalent, but less visually exciting, nonviolent crimes."
Still, BLS data from 1992-97 shows that the homicide risk for police was eight times the homicide risk for the average worker. Yet, since 45 percent of police fatalities resulted from homicides, a police fatality was more likely not to be caused by homicide. Almost as many fatalities were caused by transportation incidents. A police fatality from transportation incident or fall was as likely as a homicide.
A change in BLS calculation of police data in 2003 led to fatality rates increasing, even as the number of fatalities decreased. Police homicide risk for 2003-06 was over 16 times the homicide risk for the average worker.
Yet the same data shows that transportation incidents are now the leading cause of fatalities in police work. The risk of transportation-related fatality is over 40 percent greater than the risk of homicide. The number of transportation fatalities has remained steady, while the number of homicides has declined--as mentioned in the Congressional homage resolution cited in the introduction (It is tempting to wonder if the deaths of the Oakland police would have received the same political attention if the deaths had resulted from a traffic accident).
The title of a BLS article, using 1998 data, bluntly reveals the stark reality: "Taxicabs have by far the greatest work-related homicide risk"--four times the risk for police in 1998. Taxi driver homicide risk for 2003-06 was twice the police homicide risk.
One statistic in particular calls into question the Congressional sermon on "the risks assumed by police officers daily in serving and protecting their communities." In 2007, FBI data placed Oakland as sixth for the murder rate among large cities. During 2000-07, 822 homicides were recorded in Oakland (excluding homicides committed by police).
Yet while Oakland's general population suffered a risk of homicide that was five to six times the national average during that period, the only Oakland police officer killed in the 10 years between February 1999 and February 2009 was shot and killed by another Oakland police officer. The victim, working undercover, was mistaken for a "civilian."
Of the top eight most murder-plagued large cities, that's a record for self-protection that no other city's police department matched.
Junya, from the Internet
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