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WBraun
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So Lois? Next question .....
Who knows how to run the world perfectly?
If you say no one can then your post above is tainted with hypocrisy.
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dirtbag
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"It is because they are very into running everyone's life. They, and the government they would create, knows what is best for you - and everyone else, for that matter. It bugs the sh#t out of them that they cannot control what you do and how you think. "
So that's why you're supporting an anti-choice book-banner?
Because those are ways she is trying to stay out of our lives?
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Flashlight
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The unborn children don't have a choice.
Call it what it is dirtbag, it is "pro-abortion", not "pro-choice".
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dirtbag
climber
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No. That's wrong.
Pro-choice means we believe women should have freedom over their bodies. It means pro-reproductive freedom. It doesn't mean we think women should have abortions or that abortions are good for everyone: that would be pro-abortion.
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WBraun
climber
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Pro-reproductive freedom
What's that mean?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Lois, change the religous part and you just described the last 8yrs of the Bushdom to a T! Thank you
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Tomcat,
Most Americans are Christians and clearly have no impediment to worshipping freely. The Palin/Obama distinction you're pointing at just doesn't exist. Rather, you're missing the issue.
Palin's form of Christianity seeks to impose her views on her faith on others and made them public policy and/or law. Obama does not. HUGE distinction. Unfortunately, most on the religious right simply refuse to see the issue.
IMHO, and spoken as a life long practicing Catholic, there's very little christian about Palin and her policies. She may want to return the country to the dark ages when (ahem) the Catholic Church controlled Europe and influenced and controlled the law, but we've all moved past that point a long time ago. She needs to fast forward about 500 to 600 years and get with the program. You should too.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Is there anyone out there who would propose that the world is not coming to an end? Either there is some huge asteroid or comet out there with our name on it, or some intergalactic Attilla The Hun is having his chef come up with the best recipe for serving man before he blows the earth to smithereeens, or eventually our own sun will consume us. A predictable event...
Of course I am not advocating that we all will need to be "ministered to" at such a time. It will simply suck.
Maybe when they hit the button on that black hole experiment in Europe there...
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WBraun
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"Werner, nobody knows it all or has the right answers to everything."
That's not true. That means more hypocrisy.
That means you are saying that you know everything and there is no such person that exists in the the entire cosmic creation that knows everything but you do.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (the edge of Treason)
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Actually Palin is correct...The world is coming to an end.
In about 4.5 billion years or so.
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Flashlight
climber
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LEB, my semi-official stance is this: Abortion should be illegal, but unenforced. In other words, the government should not sanction abortion by making it legal. We must then work on peoples hearts to stop abortion, you won't stop abortion by making it illegal, IMHO.
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dirtbag
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"as you Dems just love to do"
Sarah Palin is a book banner. She is a Republican too.
Tell me how that is not an attempt to exercise control.
You once said you didn't see Bush's disastrous policies and incompetence coming when you voted for him 8 years ago. I can see why.
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dirtbag
climber
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"Pro-reproductive freedom
What's that mean? "
The freedom to make choices concerning your body and whether or not you'd like to reproduce.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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By stating unequivocally that no one has complete knowledge, you are implying that you have complete knowledge on this subject. Otherwise, if you do not have complete knowledge, then you can not know for certain that no one else does.
It would be more correct to say that to you, it appears that no one has complete knowledge.
Lois, you should perhaps look closer at what Jaybro is saying. You are complaining that dems want to control you. Yet so do republicans. Unless of course republicans plan on paying for this war out of their own pockets.
Even the notion of closing public schools is an effort to control those who want public schools or even see the need for them.
What you call freedom is only your version of freedom. Perhaps you are not as free as you think you are.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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"Bush was a failure. The ideology was not necessarily a failure. If you blow a case as an attorney or I screw up a patient as a nurse, is the underlying profession at fault or are we (you and I as individual practitioners) f*#k-ups?"
This is a really poor analogy. You're making the underlying assumption that the underlying policies are sound, and there's clearly alot of debate over that point.
I, for one, find the policies very unsound, which is why I vote democrat. I just believe that the policies espoused the by Republican party are fundamentally wrong: tax breaks don't trickle down; you don't protect consumers and tax payers by protecting business; lack of environmental regulations, while good for business bottom lines in the short run, ultimately hurt consumers and taxpayers, particularly when they fit the bill for cleanup, etc., etc, etc.
I could a few more etcs. but I think you get my point.
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WBraun
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Yes, thanks for clarifying that Moosie.
"Pro-reproductive freedom"
The freedom to make choices concerning your body and whether or not you'd like to reproduce.
That means you are giving the woman the free license to kick anyone out as she so wishes from her womb.
The soul is sent to the womb of the prospective mother thru the male sperm. Contraceptives create an uncomfortable environment for that soul and thus will be forced to leave.
The karmic reaction for that is being enforced dilengently unbeknownst.
Even from a mundane materialistic view we can see that there are laws in this country from kicking people out of their apartments indiscriminately.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Palin's youngest son is named Trig Paxson Van Palin (rhymes with "Van Halen"). At the time he was born, the Alaska news media reported that he was named for his grandfather, presumably his paternal grandfather. KTUU television reported "Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman". (http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634);
However, the story of the name seems to be evolving. More recently, Trig has been reported as being named for a Norse word meaning strength. This isn't quite true. There is no word in Norwegian spelt "trig". There is a word "trygg", meaning secure, safe or confident. Perhaps "Trig" is an unusual spelling of "trygg", for Americans unused to other tongues. Or perhaps it is as much based on the word "trigger", which seems more consistent with Ms. Palin's background.
The name Tryggve is found in Norway, and has trygg as its root. (Perhaps Tryggve was in fact the grandfather's name.) Olav Tryggvason was king of Norway from 995 - 1000 CE, but a much better known person with that name was Tryggve Lie, the first Secretary-General of the United Nations.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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For the record,I'm pro-choice.I'm also not the least bit worried women's reproductive rights are about to be overturned.
Fat Dad,your post appears to say Palin is not a Christian but is trying to impose her Christian views on everyone.Which is it?
How many books has she banned?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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"How many books has she banned?"
That's become the standard answer for the right's defense. She didn't actually succeed in banning the books, therefore no harm, no foul. Sorry but pretty lame.
The issue is she wanted to and made efforts through her authority as mayor to ban books. The fact she actually [edit: did not] succeed is immaterial. As a nation, we hold freedom of expression and freedom of thoughts as guiding principles. That any public official would attempt to infringe on those rights says that they're unqualified for office because they believe their opinion is more valid than the Constitution. That's kind of a flaw, wouldn't you say. Somehow I think all those brave men and women who have fought and died for this country did not do so so that a dimwit mayor from a podunk town could decide what books we could or could not read. That's not America. That's the Soviet Union or something out of an Orwell novel.
Also, please reread my post. Very clearly, I didn't say she wasn't a Christian. I said her acts are unchristian. Obviously (though not to you) there's a difference.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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I just can't keep reading these "Palin this, Palin that" posts. They make my head spin.
SHE AIN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!
But this talk about abortion; that is something that concernes me.
Lois wrote:
" If abortion once again becomes illegal then instead of babies dying, mothers AND babies will die from back room abortions - abortions will continue. The only difference will be where they occur and who performs them "
While it is true that women will be dying from illegal abortions, who performs abortions would hardly be "the only difference" should Roe vs. Wade be overturned.
The repercussions of such an overturn are so vast as to be nearly uncomprehendable. Times have changed in the last several decades and the safety net that a pregnant teenager or young lady could fall into has long evaporated.
The only possible positive change I can think of having occurred is that it is more difficult for men whose sperm are half the equation in a pregnancy to skip out when it comes time for accountability.
Mark my words - if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, those laws will also change. Heaven f*#king forbid a guy's life is "ruined" by having to pay for some tramp's kid for twenty years, right?
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